In a message dated 9/26/2003 6:53:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, frenaye@pcnet.com writes:

To a real quiet location, W8JI?, they would probably be about +10db

Pooie! Real world? come out here to 5 land and try that on 160, where W8JI hangs. Heck, I'm deaf in my right ear because of trying to pull new ones out of the noise floor on 80/160 for 35 years as it is. (Hey, ever wonder why I always turn my left ear, my good one, towards you? And ya'll just thought Bellows and I liked each other). Anyway, seriously, the problem is compounded from the perspective of comparing problems with the EAST coast versus the true world of K5UR and W0CP noise floors, and that is scary. 73, K5UR... deaf in one ear