Dave, Thanks for the discussion. I believe we need this information and more if we are to continue considering establishing a PAC. I agree with much of what you said; however, (you know, there is always a however or a but or something!) some of it is predicated upon attempting to be a PAC-like operation while remaining 501(c)(3). It seems apparent to me that we would need to establish the PAC under a suitable tax category and leave ARRL as it is. I think if we looked more deeply in the list of PAC sponsors we would find any number of 501(c)(3) organizations have established PACs under other categories. The point about the huge donations made to politicos by some PACs is well taken, of course. We could not dream of approaching these amounts. On the other hand, is it worth being shown on the records in politicians offices that the Amateur Radio PAC had made a modest donation? How much would this get us? It may not guarantee us anything, but would it make certain the door was open to us at least? One of us raised a concern over getting involved in partisan politics. I'm sorry for forgetting who this was. Many donors to political campaigns handle this very neatly. They contribute to each of the viable candidates. Can't loose this way and it handles the partisanship issue even though it seems weird to people such as me. 73, Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director, Great Lakes Division k8je@arrl.org - Tel. 513-459-0142 ARRL -- The reason Amateur Radio is! GREAT LAKES DIVISION CONVENTION, September 6, 2003: See http://greatlakes.arrl.org