Dick, I haven't done the calculation recently, but my recollection of the last time I did is that we could be spending 3 or 4 times as much on lobbying (i.e., influencing legislation) as we do and still be within bounds. However, if we were to increase our spending above current levels we would want to consider electing the 501(h) absolute dollar limit, which eliminates any uncertainty. A good white paper on the subject is available at http://www.centeronline.org/knowledge/whitepaper.cfm?ID=1782& 73, Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Isely, Dick (Dir, Central) Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:11 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:9277] Re: Ham Radio PAC? 18 AUG, 2003 - 1210 CDT Hello Dave... Thanks for the brief review of the differences between a 501(c)(3) and a 501(c)(4) organization in terms of political lobbying activity. The question that keeps popping up in my mind is whether or not "insubstantial" lobbying will be sufficient for our goals considering the political and regulatory climate in "The City of Truth & Light". 73 - Dick, W9GIG