[arrl-odv:25227] Repeater Directory & RFinder
Friends; Attached is the latest Minnesota Repeater Council newsletter. In it, the Chair proceeds to push the ARRL in front of the bus as it were. I did speak with him regarding RFinder and his concerns, but obviously it did no good. Have others on this reflector had similar calls, concerns, diatribes, etc.? I think we need some talking points and perhaps a story on the website to get our stance out. Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated. 73! Kent KAØLDG
Kent: Since you asked, I received a message and telephone call from the ARCC whose regional bi-annual meetings I frequently attend. The ARCC coordinates Eastern Pennsylvania and much of New Jersey. See: www.arcc-inc.org/ . They were livid about the situation and claim they were given no request for input or comment on the intended change (if that is true). They also contend they speak with other area coordinators and that the negative reaction seems widespread. The officer complaining I have known for some years and is not prone to exaggerations. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director, ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF On 3/10/2016 6:54 PM, Kent Olson wrote: Friends; Attached is the latest Minnesota Repeater Council newsletter. In it, the Chair proceeds to push the ARRL in front of the bus as it were. I did speak with him regarding RFinder and his concerns, but obviously it did no good. Have others on this reflector had similar calls, concerns, diatribes, etc.? I think we need some talking points and perhaps a story on the website to get our stance out. Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated. 73! Kent KAØLDG _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Kent, Bob, et al; The heart of this issue is that RFFinder does notuse coordinator databases as the exclusive source ofrepeater listing information. That detail alone is the realsource of most of the angst directed at the League bythe Repeater Coordination community. This coupled withrecent issues about uploading the database has createda perfect storm of criticism. From my perspective, the RFFinder decision was introduced as a done deal that was already signed withan agreement complete.My question is; was there a Board level-committee that vettedthe details prior to this agreement? Normally publishing is leftentirely to the Staff portion of our house but since there is arelated policy issue perhaps it might have been nice to reviewthis as a policy decision before the business agreement wassigned. Repeater coordination issues are the 3rd rail ofamateur radio and to say that this aspect of the hobby can be a thorny, problematic mess is being altogether polite. The League has successfully avoided being drawn into the fracasin the past, unfortunately there is no denying that we haveseriously damaged the relationship with the coordinators inan exceptionally short period of time, and it is all related tohow RFFinder collects repeater information. The coordinatorshave been operating in a very difficult arena, their only stockin trade is the correctness of their coordination data and ourNEW relationship with RFFinder just sold their information short. We do need to get our story out in the public but moreimportant than damage control, we need to determine a path forward to restore the confidence of the coordinators in a genuine manner. 73, Kermit Carlson W9XA From: "Famiglio, Bob, K3RF" <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:24 PM Subject: [arrl-odv:25228] Re: Repeater Directory & RFinder #yiv6194098753 #yiv6194098753 -- _filtered #yiv6194098753 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv6194098753 {font-family:Consolas;panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv6194098753 #yiv6194098753 p.yiv6194098753MsoNormal, #yiv6194098753 li.yiv6194098753MsoNormal, #yiv6194098753 div.yiv6194098753MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;color:black;}#yiv6194098753 a:link, #yiv6194098753 span.yiv6194098753MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6194098753 a:visited, #yiv6194098753 span.yiv6194098753MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv6194098753 p {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;color:black;}#yiv6194098753 pre {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:10.0pt;color:black;}#yiv6194098753 span.yiv6194098753HTMLPreformattedChar {color:black;}#yiv6194098753 span.yiv6194098753EmailStyle20 {}#yiv6194098753 .yiv6194098753MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv6194098753 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv6194098753 div.yiv6194098753WordSection1 {}#yiv6194098753 Kent: Since you asked, I received a message and telephone call from the ARCC whose regional bi-annual meetings I frequently attend. The ARCC coordinates Eastern Pennsylvania and much of New Jersey. See: www.arcc-inc.org/ . They were livid about the situation and claim they were given no request for input or comment on the intended change (if that is true). They also contend they speak with other area coordinators and that the negative reaction seems widespread. The officer complaining I have known for some years and is not prone to exaggerations. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director, ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF On 3/10/2016 6:54 PM, Kent Olson wrote: Friends; Attached is the latest Minnesota Repeater Council newsletter. In it, the Chair proceeds to push the ARRL in front of the bus as it were. I did speak with him regarding RFinder and his concerns, but obviously it did no good. Have others on this reflector had similar calls, concerns, diatribes, etc.? I think we need some talking points and perhaps a story on the website to get our stance out. Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated. 73! Kent KAØLDG _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Hi Kent, Same sentiment in many places in the Midwest Division. Iowa was one of the “hold out” sections in addition to WI, IL, and I believe EPA. I’m not sure if the Repeater Directory took input ONLY from the repeater coordinators. Dave can tell us. I mistakenly thought (as well as some of the complainers) that the repeater directory only published coordinated repeaters – but that’s not so. I think there is a lot of mis-information floating around so I think it would be good for someone to lay out the facts. I think they have a valid point in that all these changes are taking place without any input or consultation with the coordinators – or so it seems. Rod, K0DAS From: Kent Olson Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:54 PM To: ARRL ODV Subject: [arrl-odv:25227] Repeater Directory & RFinder Friends; Attached is the latest Minnesota Repeater Council newsletter. In it, the Chair proceeds to push the ARRL in front of the bus as it were. I did speak with him regarding RFinder and his concerns, but obviously it did no good. Have others on this reflector had similar calls, concerns, diatribes, etc.? I think we need some talking points and perhaps a story on the website to get our stance out. Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated. 73! Kent KAØLDG -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Guys, didn't we go over all of this five weeks ago? Dave K1ZZ ________________________________________ From: arrl-odv [arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] on behalf of Blocksome, Rod, K0DAS Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:04 PM To: Olson, Kent, KA0LDG, (Dir, DD); arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:25229] Re: Repeater Directory & RFinder Hi Kent, Same sentiment in many places in the Midwest Division. Iowa was one of the “hold out” sections in addition to WI, IL, and I believe EPA. I’m not sure if the Repeater Directory took input ONLY from the repeater coordinators. Dave can tell us. I mistakenly thought (as well as some of the complainers) that the repeater directory only published coordinated repeaters – but that’s not so. I think there is a lot of mis-information floating around so I think it would be good for someone to lay out the facts. I think they have a valid point in that all these changes are taking place without any input or consultation with the coordinators – or so it seems. Rod, K0DAS From: Kent Olson<mailto:qtipf16@q.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:54 PM To: ARRL ODV<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:25227] Repeater Directory & RFinder Friends; Attached is the latest Minnesota Repeater Council newsletter. In it, the Chair proceeds to push the ARRL in front of the bus as it were. I did speak with him regarding RFinder and his concerns, but obviously it did no good. Have others on this reflector had similar calls, concerns, diatribes, etc.? I think we need some talking points and perhaps a story on the website to get our stance out. Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated. 73! Kent KAØLDG ________________________________ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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