RE: [ARRL-ODV:7268] Re: Positive ID for Amateur Radio Emergency
I have heard a number of complaints about this product over the years, and in my opinion the item appeals to a particular mentality ... I am trying to think of a term for it that isn't way too coarse for this reflector. No success! Anyhow, it isn't a mentality we want to encourage or endorse.
True, nobody has to buy this product who disapproves of it, yet I wish there were a way we could drop the advertising for this phony piece of junk. 73
They've been around for at least a couple of years. I know we've had this discussion at least once before. To me it doesn't look much like a badge an authorized law enforcement official would carry. If you want one that looks more authentic there's any number of places you can get one. I have not heard of a complaint from a law enforcement agency. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: jmax@attglobal.net [mailto:jmax@attglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 10:22 AM To: arrl-odv@listserv.arrl.org Subject: [ARRL-ODV:7268] Re: Positive ID for Amateur Radio Emergency I guess I'm not concerned about people spending money on junk so much as I'm worried about the stray ham flipping open his police-style wallet in order to crash a barricade or impress his girl. This is an image problem. How long have these items been offered for sale? 73. Jim, W6CF Kay Craigie wrote: -
Kay WT3P
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While I think any guy who buys one of these is a jerk and anyone who wears one is an even bigger jerk, I sure hate to loose the advertising bucks. If someone is going to crash a barrier or impress his girl, I think he is probably going to find a way to do it. I really do not think we should be worrying about what might happen with these badges. They are what they are - something a real jerk would wear or flash. We are not talking weapons here. I don't think we should consider pulling the ad. Frank...N2FF.....
Translation of Dave's message:
They've been around for at least a couple of years. I know we've had this discussion at least once before.
(Translation: This is old stuff we already covered, shame on you for bringing it up again)
To me it doesn't look much like a badge an authorized law enforcement official would carry. If you want one that looks more authentic there's any number of places you can get one.
(Translation: No good deed will go unpunished. Look, we aren't advertising the really authentic ones)
I have not heard of a complaint from a law enforcement agency.
(Translation: Cleverly chosen to sidestep the concerns of California State Office of Emergency Services. Actually, there must be an FBI field agent memo on this somewhere) 73, Darth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ" <dsumner@arrl.org> To: <arrl-odv@listserv.arrl.org> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:7269] Re: Positive ID for Amateur Radio Emergency
They've been around for at least a couple of years. I know we've had this discussion at least once before.
To me it doesn't look much like a badge an authorized law enforcement official would carry. If you want one that looks more authentic there's any number of places you can get one.
I have not heard of a complaint from a law enforcement agency.
Dave K1ZZ
-----Original Message----- From: jmax@attglobal.net [mailto:jmax@attglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 10:22 AM To: arrl-odv@listserv.arrl.org Subject: [ARRL-ODV:7268] Re: Positive ID for Amateur Radio Emergency
I guess I'm not concerned about people spending money on junk so much as I'm worried about the stray ham flipping open his police-style wallet in order to crash a barricade or impress his girl. This is an image problem. How long have these items been offered for sale?
73. Jim, W6CF
Kay Craigie wrote:
I have heard a number of complaints about this product over the years, and in my opinion the item appeals to a particular mentality ... I am trying to think of a term for it that isn't way too coarse for this reflector. No success! Anyhow, it isn't a mentality we want to encourage or endorse.
True, nobody has to buy this product who disapproves of it, yet I wish there were a way we could drop the advertising for this phony piece of junk. 73
Kay WT3P
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on 5/30/02 10:27 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ at dsumner@arrl.org wrote:
They've been around for at least a couple of years. I know we've had this discussion at least once before.
To me it doesn't look much like a badge an authorized law enforcement official would carry. If you want one that looks more authentic there's any number of places you can get one.
I have not heard of a complaint from a law enforcement agency.
Dave K1ZZ
I think the issue is a more subtle one with the League's ethics and standards in question. I personally believe that to have such things available elsewhere is no big deal, but to have the League carry such ads in QST crosses the line. Are we so hungry for ad revenue that we don't follow our own policies? In this case, there should never be a complaint we should have to respond to. We should proactively pull the ad. 73, Gary
As I understand this, this ad does not violate any of our policies. The question is, should it? 73, Wade W0EJ Gary Johnston wrote:
on 5/30/02 10:27 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ at dsumner@arrl.org wrote:
They've been around for at least a couple of years. I know we've had this discussion at least once before.
To me it doesn't look much like a badge an authorized law enforcement official would carry. If you want one that looks more authentic there's any number of places you can get one.
I have not heard of a complaint from a law enforcement agency.
Dave K1ZZ
I think the issue is a more subtle one with the League's ethics and standards in question. I personally believe that to have such things available elsewhere is no big deal, but to have the League carry such ads in QST crosses the line. Are we so hungry for ad revenue that we don't follow our own policies? In this case, there should never be a complaint we should have to respond to. We should proactively pull the ad.
73, Gary
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