[arrl-odv:24752] FW: 146.52 MHz

At least one other Director has been contacted by a member of their Division that is upset that the change to allow contest use of 146.52 MHz will destroy the ability of amateurs needing assistance to get it. Beyond the obviously contrived set of facts it would take for me to consider 52 to be a viable place to look for assistance in the 21st century, below is the response that I sent to the member in my Division that I believe is spearheading the Save 52 movement. What is particularly worth noting is the thread that he started on QRZ.com (link below) which backfired on him as the vast majority of responders think it is a good idea or don't see a problem with it. I expect that many of you will receive communications either from the member in my Division (W4FM), or from someone carrying his flag. Doug K4AC Hi Rodger: Chris has forwarded your concerns to me about the recent decision to allow contest operation on 146.52 MHz. I understand and appreciate your concerns about keeping 146.52 MHz free from contesting, but I respectfully disagree. In my travels around the Division I usually monitor 52 and have announced that I am listening with very rare contacts. This experience is typical for everyone I know. Two or three decades ago there was much more activity on two meters and significantly more on 52. There are only a handful of ARRL VHF contests so the number of hours of potential usage of 52 is very limited. As someone that has participated in VHF/UHF/Microwave contesting, I believe that your concerns are misguided about someone needing assistance on 52 when a contest is going on. All of the VHF+ contesters I know would immediately suspend their contesting activity to render whatever assistance they could. With the exception of 6 meters when there is a good opening, VHF contests are not marked with beginning to end contacts; losing some time to assisting someone on .52 is not going affect a VHF+ contest operation. I've read the comments made to your posting on QRZ.com, https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/save-146-52-simplex-from-contesters -use.497734/, and see that the clear majority of the comments are in favor of contest use of 52. This is one change in a bigger revitalization attempt for V/U/M. We have been making changes and observing the effects in subsequent contests. The results of the decision concerning 52 will be observed so that we can see what effects it has. 73, Doug Doug Rehman, K4AC Director Southeastern Division ARRL-The National Association for Amateur RadioR <mailto:doug@k4ac.com> doug@k4ac.com <http://www.arrlse.org/> www.arrlse.org <http://www.facebook.com/arrlse> www.facebook.com/arrlse

Good response, Doug. I too have traveled a ton via road and have always made a point to periodically announce my presence on 146.52, certainly when within a town or city. In the last 10 years I can count on (maybe half of?) a single hand the number of people who called me back, or random people I bumped into on .52 who were already in QSO with someone else. Numerous other hams who I've talked to have had similar experiences, which says something. That, coupled with just 5 weekends of relevant contests out of 52 weekends in a year, doesn't rise to the level of being a huge concern in my view, and the majority of posters on QRZ seem to have a similar take. That said, we (PSC) will rightfully work with staff to observe the implementation of .52's permitted use in these contests going forward and handle any issues that are brought forward. 73, Brian N5ZGT On 2015-10-26 14:54, Doug Rehman wrote:
At least one other Director has been contacted by a member of their Division that is upset that the change to allow contest use of 146.52 MHz will destroy the ability of amateurs needing assistance to get it. Beyond the obviously contrived set of facts it would take for me to consider 52 to be a viable place to look for assistance in the 21st century, below is the response that I sent to the member in my Division that I believe is spearheading the Save 52 movement.
What is
particularly worth noting is the thread that he started on QRZ.com (link below) which backfired on him as the vast majority of responders think it is a good idea or don't see a problem with it.
I expect that
many of you will receive communications either from the member in my Division (W4FM), or from someone carrying his flag.
Doug
K4AC
Hi Rodger:
Chris has forwarded your concerns to me
about the recent decision to allow contest operation on 146.52 MHz. I understand and appreciate your concerns about keeping 146.52 MHz free from contesting, but I respectfully disagree.
In my travels around
the Division I usually monitor 52 and have announced that I am listening with very rare contacts. This experience is typical for everyone I know. Two or three decades ago there was much more activity on two meters and significantly more on 52.
There are only a handful of ARRL VHF
contests so the number of hours of potential usage of 52 is very limited. As someone that has participated in VHF/UHF/Microwave contesting, I believe that your concerns are misguided about someone needing assistance on 52 when a contest is going on. All of the VHF+ contesters I know would immediately suspend their contesting activity to render whatever assistance they could. With the exception of 6 meters when there is a good opening, VHF contests are not marked with beginning to end contacts; losing some time to assisting someone on .52 is not going affect a VHF+ contest operation.
I've read the comments made
to your posting on QRZ.com, https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/save-146-52-simplex-from-contesters... [2], and see that the clear majority of the comments are in favor of contest use of 52.
This is one change in a bigger revitalization
attempt for V/U/M. We have been making changes and observing the effects in subsequent contests. The results of the decision concerning 52 will be observed so that we can see what effects it has.
73,
Doug
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Director Southeastern Division
ARRL--The National Association for Amateur Radio(R)
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Doug, Good, well-reasoned argument. I will steal from it liberally if I receive the same question (though I have not). Tnx es 73, Greg, K0GW On Monday, October 26, 2015, Doug Rehman <doug@k4ac.com> wrote:
At least one other Director has been contacted by a member of their Division that is upset that the change to allow contest use of 146.52 MHz will destroy the ability of amateurs needing assistance to get it. Beyond the obviously contrived set of facts it would take for me to consider 52 to be a viable place to look for assistance in the 21st century, below is the response that I sent to the member in my Division that I believe is spearheading the Save 52 movement.
What is particularly worth noting is the thread that he started on QRZ.com (link below) which backfired on him as the vast majority of responders think it is a good idea or don’t see a problem with it.
I expect that many of you will receive communications either from the member in my Division (W4FM), or from someone carrying his flag.
Doug
K4AC
Hi Rodger:
Chris has forwarded your concerns to me about the recent decision to allow contest operation on 146.52 MHz. I understand and appreciate your concerns about keeping 146.52 MHz free from contesting, but I respectfully disagree.
In my travels around the Division I usually monitor 52 and have announced that I am listening with very rare contacts. This experience is typical for everyone I know. Two or three decades ago there was much more activity on two meters and significantly more on 52.
There are only a handful of ARRL VHF contests so the number of hours of potential usage of 52 is very limited. As someone that has participated in VHF/UHF/Microwave contesting, I believe that your concerns are misguided about someone needing assistance on 52 when a contest is going on. All of the VHF+ contesters I know would immediately suspend their contesting activity to render whatever assistance they could. With the exception of 6 meters when there is a good opening, VHF contests are not marked with beginning to end contacts; losing some time to assisting someone on .52 is not going affect a VHF+ contest operation.
I’ve read the comments made to your posting on QRZ.com, https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/save-146-52-simplex-from-contesters..., and see that the clear majority of the comments are in favor of contest use of 52.
This is one change in a bigger revitalization attempt for V/U/M. We have been making changes and observing the effects in subsequent contests. The results of the decision concerning 52 will be observed so that we can see what effects it has.
73,
Doug
Doug Rehman, K4AC
Director Southeastern Division
ARRL—The National Association for Amateur Radio®
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All, I've had one email exchange and a phone call on this subject with an apoplectic and completely irrational member in this division. He could not be reasoned with nor did he want to entertain any statements of fact. Further, I had to take him to task for his abusive, profane and obscene emails to HQ Staff. He stated that he "won't be renewing my #*&$ing membership" to which I replied "good and good riddance!" I don't know where this misinformation originated but it seems to be making the rounds. 73 David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 26, 2015, at 4:20 PM, G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Doug, Good, well-reasoned argument. I will steal from it liberally if I receive the same question (though I have not). Tnx es 73, Greg, K0GW
On Monday, October 26, 2015, Doug Rehman <doug@k4ac.com> wrote: At least one other Director has been contacted by a member of their Division that is upset that the change to allow contest use of 146.52 MHz will destroy the ability of amateurs needing assistance to get it. Beyond the obviously contrived set of facts it would take for me to consider 52 to be a viable place to look for assistance in the 21st century, below is the response that I sent to the member in my Division that I believe is spearheading the Save 52 movement.
What is particularly worth noting is the thread that he started on QRZ.com (link below) which backfired on him as the vast majority of responders think it is a good idea or don’t see a problem with it.
I expect that many of you will receive communications either from the member in my Division (W4FM), or from someone carrying his flag.
Doug
K4AC
Hi Rodger:
Chris has forwarded your concerns to me about the recent decision to allow contest operation on 146.52 MHz. I understand and appreciate your concerns about keeping 146.52 MHz free from contesting, but I respectfully disagree.
In my travels around the Division I usually monitor 52 and have announced that I am listening with very rare contacts. This experience is typical for everyone I know. Two or three decades ago there was much more activity on two meters and significantly more on 52.
There are only a handful of ARRL VHF contests so the number of hours of potential usage of 52 is very limited. As someone that has participated in VHF/UHF/Microwave contesting, I believe that your concerns are misguided about someone needing assistance on 52 when a contest is going on. All of the VHF+ contesters I know would immediately suspend their contesting activity to render whatever assistance they could. With the exception of 6 meters when there is a good opening, VHF contests are not marked with beginning to end contacts; losing some time to assisting someone on .52 is not going affect a VHF+ contest operation.
I’ve read the comments made to your posting on QRZ.com, https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/save-146-52-simplex-from-contesters..., and see that the clear majority of the comments are in favor of contest use of 52.
This is one change in a bigger revitalization attempt for V/U/M. We have been making changes and observing the effects in subsequent contests. The results of the decision concerning 52 will be observed so that we can see what effects it has.
73,
Doug
Doug Rehman, K4AC
Director Southeastern Division
ARRL—The National Association for Amateur Radio®
doug@k4ac.com
www.arrlse.org
www.facebook.com/arrlse
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Brian Mileshosky
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David Norris
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Doug Rehman
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G Widin