[arrl-odv:31084] Dayton 2021
Michael Kalter, W8CI, appeared on DXE's FB live stream yesterday and stated "We are planning on, absolutely, having Hamvention" As we are now going through the 2021 budgeting and planning process, we'll need to take some kind of a view as to what our presence there will look like. Budget and plan for the full boat, and make adjustments if and when dictated by the circumstances. Thoughts? David
David & All If 2021 Hamvention occurs, we would be remiss were we not to have a presence. If the stars align and there is a vaccine and/or a demonstrable waning of C19, the pent up demand of the public for travel and "gettin' out of the house" will be impressive, resulting in a reasonably high probabilty of heavy attendance at Dayton. If that occurs, we should be present with the resources to reap the benefits of that turnout. I can't speak for everyone, but as a member of the A&F Committee I can share amongst friends that the official A&F crystal ball is broken. So, unless we wish to return to the ancient financial practice of casting bones, we will have to use our collective judgment. Personally, I have always found it easier and less financially stressful to not spend that which I have budgeted, than to have to scramble to find the shekels to cover that for which I had not planned. My recommendation is to "plan for the full boat." Doing that will provide a more realistic financial picture of the far country than not doing so. If we are planning on attending Hamvention, we should consider what other hamfests worth attending may also arise from hibernation and to plan for the cost of sending troops to those outposts. _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office:512-445-6262 Cell:512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 *_______________________________________*** ** On 10/3/20 8:24 AM, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) wrote:
Michael Kalter, W8CI, appeared on DXE’s FB live stream yesterday and stated “We are planning on, absolutely, having Hamvention”
As we are now going through the 2021 budgeting and planning process, we’ll need to take some kind of a view as to what our presence there will look like.
Budget and plan for the full boat, and make adjustments if and when dictated by the circumstances.
Thoughts?
David
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"the official A&F crystal ball is broken" Right, at this point, all bets are off. I think the one thing we've realized that there is no short cut to a fix. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf* On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:22 AM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:
David & All
If 2021 Hamvention occurs, we would be remiss were we not to have a presence.
If the stars align and there is a vaccine and/or a demonstrable waning of C19, the pent up demand of the public for travel and "gettin' out of the house" will be impressive, resulting in a reasonably high probabilty of heavy attendance at Dayton. If that occurs, we should be present with the resources to reap the benefits of that turnout.
I can't speak for everyone, but as a member of the A&F Committee I can share amongst friends that the official A&F crystal ball is broken. So, unless we wish to return to the ancient financial practice of casting bones, we will have to use our collective judgment.
Personally, I have always found it easier and less financially stressful to not spend that which I have budgeted, than to have to scramble to find the shekels to cover that for which I had not planned.
My recommendation is to "plan for the full boat." Doing that will provide a more realistic financial picture of the far country than not doing so. If we are planning on attending Hamvention, we should consider what other hamfests worth attending may also arise from hibernation and to plan for the cost of sending troops to those outposts.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________* On 10/3/20 8:24 AM, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) wrote:
Michael Kalter, W8CI, appeared on DXE’s FB live stream yesterday and stated “We are planning on, absolutely, having Hamvention”
As we are now going through the 2021 budgeting and planning process, we’ll need to take some kind of a view as to what our presence there will look like.
Budget and plan for the full boat, and make adjustments if and when dictated by the circumstances.
Thoughts?
David
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David: Tough question. Who knows what it will look like 7.5 months from now. I'm already hearing from folks saying that regardless of the situation they will not travel until 2022, even with a vaccine. I suspect we will have some Staff who will refuse to go to Dayton out of fear. I suspect we will have some Board members that will feel that way, too. Frankly, I can't say I'm very excited about the thought of standing at the meet and greet area and bumping elbows with hundreds of hams that I normally shake hands with every year. We just don't know how things will look. However, if Dayton happens, the ARRL must be there. Consequently, I'd recommend that we budget for a regular Dayton as a contingency. Just because we have money in the budget doesn't mean we have to spend it, and ya'll have heard me say that before, if it's cancelled or if we decide to cut back attendance and presentation. I don't want to derail this thread about Dayton, but it's timely to think about the January Board meeting. I'll be discussing this with the EC for some initial thoughts. I really prefer to have an in-person meeting but Connecticut is likely to still be in somewhat lockdown mode. I was up there this week as you know and the Marriott told me that as of right now they will not have any large events until next April. I've already had several Board members suggest Denver again. We will need to decide this in the next few weeks. 73,Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2020 8:24 am Subject: [arrl-odv:31084] Dayton 2021 <!--#yiv9464169037 _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv9464169037 #yiv9464169037 p.yiv9464169037MsoNormal, #yiv9464169037 li.yiv9464169037MsoNormal, #yiv9464169037 div.yiv9464169037MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv9464169037 span.yiv9464169037EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv9464169037 .yiv9464169037MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv9464169037 div.yiv9464169037WordSection1 {}-->Michael Kalter, W8CI, appeared on DXE’s FB live stream yesterday and stated “We are planning on, absolutely, having Hamvention” As we are now going through the 2021 budgeting and planning process, we’ll need to take some kind of a view as to what our presence there will look like. Budget and plan for the full boat, and make adjustments if and when dictated by the circumstances. Thoughts? David _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Here on the left coast our first large hamfest in February has already been canceled, but ones scheduled for March and beyond are still on, including SEA-PAC. Whether or not they stay that way will is still up in the air. I will say that we should probably have several plans ready. As far as budgetary planning, go "all-in". (We can always increase Rick's salary if we come in under budget! ;-). I think we should have both a "minimal" plan, and a plan that assumes things will be close to normal, then adjust as needed. I don't think the country will be back to "full on" by then, and I can't see there being 30,000 hams that will be fully ready to venture out of their basements into the light quite yet. We won't really know until we get over the winter flu season, when COVID is expected to resurge. 73; Mike W7VO
On 10/03/2020 8:59 AM Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
David:
Tough question. Who knows what it will look like 7.5 months from now. I'm already hearing from folks saying that regardless of the situation they will not travel until 2022, even with a vaccine. I suspect we will have some Staff who will refuse to go to Dayton out of fear. I suspect we will have some Board members that will feel that way, too. Frankly, I can't say I'm very excited about the thought of standing at the meet and greet area and bumping elbows with hundreds of hams that I normally shake hands with every year. We just don't know how things will look. However, if Dayton happens, the ARRL must be there. Consequently, I'd recommend that we budget for a regular Dayton as a contingency. Just because we have money in the budget doesn't mean we have to spend it, and ya'll have heard me say that before, if it's cancelled or if we decide to cut back attendance and presentation.
I don't want to derail this thread about Dayton, but it's timely to think about the January Board meeting. I'll be discussing this with the EC for some initial thoughts. I really prefer to have an in-person meeting but Connecticut is likely to still be in somewhat lockdown mode. I was up there this week as you know and the Marriott told me that as of right now they will not have any large events until next April. I've already had several Board members suggest Denver again. We will need to decide this in the next few weeks.
73, Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2020 8:24 am Subject: [arrl-odv:31084] Dayton 2021
Michael Kalter, W8CI, appeared on DXE’s FB live stream yesterday and stated “We are planning on, absolutely, having Hamvention”
As we are now going through the 2021 budgeting and planning process, we’ll need to take some kind of a view as to what our presence there will look like.
Budget and plan for the full boat, and make adjustments if and when dictated by the circumstances.
Thoughts?
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HRU 2021 is going to be virtual and many things next year are already iffy so I would expect that we won’t be close to “normal” for quite a while. I do agree with Rick that we should plan on it but not bank on it. I will go if there is a show but I may be masked up and no handshaking, period. I will sign shirts and hats though and wear funny ones like PR hams 599 0 shirt with the lightbulb. Travel restrictions especially from Europe (who is seeing a 2nd wave) could also reduce attendance significantly and I’m sure that’s a factor with DARA’s decision making. As far as the meeting goes, I won’t mind going to Denver for another board meeting but if we have to go all-virtual I’m fine with that too. 73 Ria N2RJ On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:59 AM Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
David:
Tough question. Who knows what it will look like 7.5 months from now. I'm already hearing from folks saying that regardless of the situation they will not travel until 2022, even with a vaccine. I suspect we will have some Staff who will refuse to go to Dayton out of fear. I suspect we will have some Board members that will feel that way, too. Frankly, I can't say I'm very excited about the thought of standing at the meet and greet area and bumping elbows with hundreds of hams that I normally shake hands with every year. We just don't know how things will look. However, if Dayton happens, the ARRL must be there. Consequently, I'd recommend that we budget for a regular Dayton as a contingency. Just because we have money in the budget doesn't mean we have to spend it, and ya'll have heard me say that before, if it's cancelled or if we decide to cut back attendance and presentation.
I don't want to derail this thread about Dayton, but it's timely to think about the January Board meeting. I'll be discussing this with the EC for some initial thoughts. I really prefer to have an in-person meeting but Connecticut is likely to still be in somewhat lockdown mode. I was up there this week as you know and the Marriott told me that as of right now they will not have any large events until next April. I've already had several Board members suggest Denver again. We will need to decide this in the next few weeks.
73, Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2020 8:24 am Subject: [arrl-odv:31084] Dayton 2021
Michael Kalter, W8CI, appeared on DXE’s FB live stream yesterday and stated “We are planning on, absolutely, having Hamvention”
As we are now going through the 2021 budgeting and planning process, we’ll need to take some kind of a view as to what our presence there will look like.
Budget and plan for the full boat, and make adjustments if and when dictated by the circumstances.
Thoughts?
David _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
IF, a big IF, ARRL goes to Dayton(Xenia), I have a few thoughts. · I would expect attendance to be down from previous years, for two reasons: 1. Full 3-4 day attendees skew older, a group more likely to skip a year out of fear 2. A dramatic drop in attendance from overseas · Lower attendance means we could handle the booth traffic with fewer people, and/or, with some clever thinking, substitute some Ohio or people within driving distance as volunteers to replace HQ staff. · If we can reduce paid staff, accompanied by their airline and hotel/meals costs, we might be able to afford a big outdoor tent with more air circulation. The ARRL indoor booth is usually crowded and has less air circulation. · Instead of handing out ARRL badge lanyards, should we consider ARRL Diamond-logo cloth face masks? -Fred K1VR From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2020 3:22 PM To: k5ur@aol.com Cc: arrl-odv@arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:31088] Re: Dayton 2021 HRU 2021 is going to be virtual and many things next year are already iffy so I would expect that we won’t be close to “normal” for quite a while. I do agree with Rick that we should plan on it but not bank on it. I will go if there is a show but I may be masked up and no handshaking, period. I will sign shirts and hats though and wear funny ones like PR hams 599 0 shirt with the lightbulb. Travel restrictions especially from Europe (who is seeing a 2nd wave) could also reduce attendance significantly and I’m sure that’s a factor with DARA’s decision making. As far as the meeting goes, I won’t mind going to Denver for another board meeting but if we have to go all-virtual I’m fine with that too. 73 Ria N2RJ On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:59 AM Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: David: Tough question. Who knows what it will look like 7.5 months from now. I'm already hearing from folks saying that regardless of the situation they will not travel until 2022, even with a vaccine. I suspect we will have some Staff who will refuse to go to Dayton out of fear. I suspect we will have some Board members that will feel that way, too. Frankly, I can't say I'm very excited about the thought of standing at the meet and greet area and bumping elbows with hundreds of hams that I normally shake hands with every year. We just don't know how things will look. However, if Dayton happens, the ARRL must be there. Consequently, I'd recommend that we budget for a regular Dayton as a contingency. Just because we have money in the budget doesn't mean we have to spend it, and ya'll have heard me say that before, if it's cancelled or if we decide to cut back attendance and presentation. I don't want to derail this thread about Dayton, but it's timely to think about the January Board meeting. I'll be discussing this with the EC for some initial thoughts. I really prefer to have an in-person meeting but Connecticut is likely to still be in somewhat lockdown mode. I was up there this week as you know and the Marriott told me that as of right now they will not have any large events until next April. I've already had several Board members suggest Denver again. We will need to decide this in the next few weeks. 73, Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2020 8:24 am Subject: [arrl-odv:31084] Dayton 2021 Michael Kalter, W8CI, appeared on DXE’s FB live stream yesterday and stated “We are planning on, absolutely, having Hamvention” As we are now going through the 2021 budgeting and planning process, we’ll need to take some kind of a view as to what our presence there will look like. Budget and plan for the full boat, and make adjustments if and when dictated by the circumstances. Thoughts? David _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
I want that face mask !! MikeK1TWF -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> To: rjairam@gmail.com; k5ur@aol.com Cc: arrl-odv@arrl.org Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2020 10:08 am Subject: [arrl-odv:31215] Re: Dayton 2021 #yiv0694696759 #yiv0694696759 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv0694696759 #yiv0694696759 p.yiv0694696759MsoNormal, #yiv0694696759 li.yiv0694696759MsoNormal, #yiv0694696759 div.yiv0694696759MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;}#yiv0694696759 a:link, #yiv0694696759 span.yiv0694696759MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0694696759 a:visited, #yiv0694696759 span.yiv0694696759MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0694696759 p.yiv0694696759MsoListParagraph, #yiv0694696759 li.yiv0694696759MsoListParagraph, #yiv0694696759 div.yiv0694696759MsoListParagraph {margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New;}#yiv0694696759 span.yiv0694696759EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv0694696759 .yiv0694696759MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {}#yiv0694696759 div.yiv0694696759WordSection1 {}#yiv0694696759 _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv0694696759 ol {margin-bottom:0in;}#yiv0694696759 ul {margin-bottom:0in;}#yiv0694696759 IF, a big IF, ARRL goes to Dayton(Xenia), I have a few thoughts. · I would expect attendance to be down from previous years, for two reasons:1. Full 3-4 day attendees skew older, a group more likely to skip a year out of fear2. A dramatic drop in attendance from overseas · Lower attendance means we could handle the booth traffic with fewer people, and/or, with some clever thinking, substitute some Ohio or people within driving distance as volunteers to replace HQ staff.· If we can reduce paid staff, accompanied by their airline and hotel/meals costs, we might be able to afford a big outdoor tent with more air circulation. The ARRL indoor booth is usually crowded and has less air circulation.· Instead of handing out ARRL badge lanyards, should we consider ARRL Diamond-logo cloth face masks? -Fred K1VR From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2020 3:22 PM To: k5ur@aol.com Cc: arrl-odv@arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:31088] Re: Dayton 2021 HRU 2021 is going to be virtual and many things next year are already iffy so I would expect that we won’t be close to “normal” for quite a while. I do agree with Rick that we should plan on it but not bank on it. I will go if there is a show but I may be masked up and no handshaking, period. I will sign shirts and hats though and wear funny ones like PR hams 599 0 shirt with the lightbulb. Travel restrictions especially from Europe (who is seeing a 2nd wave) could also reduce attendance significantly and I’m sure that’s a factor with DARA’s decision making. As far as the meeting goes, I won’t mind going to Denver for another board meeting but if we have to go all-virtual I’m fine with that too. 73RiaN2RJ On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:59 AM Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: David: Tough question. Who knows what it will look like 7.5 months from now. I'm already hearing from folks saying that regardless of the situation they will not travel until 2022, even with a vaccine. I suspect we will have some Staff who will refuse to go to Dayton out of fear. I suspect we will have some Board members that will feel that way, too. Frankly, I can't say I'm very excited about the thought of standing at the meet and greet area and bumping elbows with hundreds of hams that I normally shake hands with every year. We just don't know how things will look. However, if Dayton happens, the ARRL must be there. Consequently, I'd recommend that we budget for a regular Dayton as a contingency. Just because we have money in the budget doesn't mean we have to spend it, and ya'll have heard me say that before, if it's cancelled or if we decide to cut back attendance and presentation. I don't want to derail this thread about Dayton, but it's timely to think about the January Board meeting. I'll be discussing this with the EC for some initial thoughts. I really prefer to have an in-person meeting but Connecticut is likely to still be in somewhat lockdown mode. I was up there this week as you know and the Marriott told me that as of right now they will not have any large events until next April. I've already had several Board members suggest Denver again. We will need to decide this in the next few weeks. 73,Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2020 8:24 am Subject: [arrl-odv:31084] Dayton 2021Michael Kalter, W8CI, appeared on DXE’s FB live stream yesterday and stated “We are planning on, absolutely, having Hamvention” As we are now going through the 2021 budgeting and planning process, we’ll need to take some kind of a view as to what our presence there will look like. Budget and plan for the full boat, and make adjustments if and when dictated by the circumstances. Thoughts? 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I had asked Barry if I could print a face mask, and he said yes. It should be here any day now. But I’ll still spring for an official one. 73 Ria N2RJ On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 10:08 AM Fred Hopengarten < hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
IF, a big IF, ARRL goes to Dayton(Xenia), I have a few thoughts.
· I would expect attendance to be down from previous years, for two reasons:
1. Full 3-4 day attendees skew older, a group more likely to skip a year out of fear
2. A dramatic drop in attendance from overseas
· Lower attendance means we could handle the booth traffic with fewer people, and/or, with some clever thinking, substitute some Ohio or people within driving distance as volunteers to replace HQ staff.
· If we can reduce paid staff, accompanied by their airline and hotel/meals costs, we might be able to afford *a big outdoor tent with more air circulation*. The ARRL indoor booth is usually crowded and has less air circulation.
· Instead of handing out ARRL badge lanyards, should we consider *ARRL Diamond-logo cloth face masks*?
-Fred K1VR
*From:* arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] *On Behalf Of *rjairam@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 03, 2020 3:22 PM *To:* k5ur@aol.com *Cc:* arrl-odv@arrl.org *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31088] Re: Dayton 2021
HRU 2021 is going to be virtual and many things next year are already iffy so I would expect that we won’t be close to “normal” for quite a while.
I do agree with Rick that we should plan on it but not bank on it. I will go if there is a show but I may be masked up and no handshaking, period. I will sign shirts and hats though and wear funny ones like PR hams 599 0 shirt with the lightbulb.
Travel restrictions especially from Europe (who is seeing a 2nd wave) could also reduce attendance significantly and I’m sure that’s a factor with DARA’s decision making.
As far as the meeting goes, I won’t mind going to Denver for another board meeting but if we have to go all-virtual I’m fine with that too.
73
Ria
N2RJ
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:59 AM Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
David:
Tough question. Who knows what it will look like 7.5 months from now. I'm already hearing from folks saying that regardless of the situation they will not travel until 2022, even with a vaccine. I suspect we will have some Staff who will refuse to go to Dayton out of fear. I suspect we will have some Board members that will feel that way, too. Frankly, I can't say I'm very excited about the thought of standing at the meet and greet area and bumping elbows with hundreds of hams that I normally shake hands with every year. We just don't know how things will look. However, if Dayton happens, the ARRL must be there. Consequently, I'd recommend that we budget for a regular Dayton as a contingency. Just because we have money in the budget doesn't mean we have to spend it, and ya'll have heard me say that before, if it's cancelled or if we decide to cut back attendance and presentation.
I don't want to derail this thread about Dayton, but it's timely to think about the January Board meeting. I'll be discussing this with the EC for some initial thoughts. I really prefer to have an in-person meeting but Connecticut is likely to still be in somewhat lockdown mode. I was up there this week as you know and the Marriott told me that as of right now they will not have any large events until next April. I've already had several Board members suggest Denver again. We will need to decide this in the next few weeks.
73,
Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2020 8:24 am Subject: [arrl-odv:31084] Dayton 2021
Michael Kalter, W8CI, appeared on DXE’s FB live stream yesterday and stated “We are planning on, absolutely, having Hamvention”
As we are now going through the 2021 budgeting and planning process, we’ll need to take some kind of a view as to what our presence there will look like.
Budget and plan for the full boat, and make adjustments if and when dictated by the circumstances.
Thoughts?
David
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We're missing a "few thousand dollar easy revenue opportunity" by not getting ARRL logo masks ready for the openings next year. Low effort, good margin. Every little bit helps. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf* On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 10:25 AM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I had asked Barry if I could print a face mask, and he said yes. It should be here any day now.
But I’ll still spring for an official one.
73 Ria N2RJ
On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 10:08 AM Fred Hopengarten < hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
IF, a big IF, ARRL goes to Dayton(Xenia), I have a few thoughts.
· I would expect attendance to be down from previous years, for two reasons:
1. Full 3-4 day attendees skew older, a group more likely to skip a year out of fear
2. A dramatic drop in attendance from overseas
· Lower attendance means we could handle the booth traffic with fewer people, and/or, with some clever thinking, substitute some Ohio or people within driving distance as volunteers to replace HQ staff.
· If we can reduce paid staff, accompanied by their airline and hotel/meals costs, we might be able to afford *a big outdoor tent with more air circulation*. The ARRL indoor booth is usually crowded and has less air circulation.
· Instead of handing out ARRL badge lanyards, should we consider *ARRL Diamond-logo cloth face masks*?
-Fred K1VR
*From:* arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] *On Behalf Of *rjairam@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 03, 2020 3:22 PM *To:* k5ur@aol.com *Cc:* arrl-odv@arrl.org *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31088] Re: Dayton 2021
HRU 2021 is going to be virtual and many things next year are already iffy so I would expect that we won’t be close to “normal” for quite a while.
I do agree with Rick that we should plan on it but not bank on it. I will go if there is a show but I may be masked up and no handshaking, period. I will sign shirts and hats though and wear funny ones like PR hams 599 0 shirt with the lightbulb.
Travel restrictions especially from Europe (who is seeing a 2nd wave) could also reduce attendance significantly and I’m sure that’s a factor with DARA’s decision making.
As far as the meeting goes, I won’t mind going to Denver for another board meeting but if we have to go all-virtual I’m fine with that too.
73
Ria
N2RJ
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 11:59 AM Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
David:
Tough question. Who knows what it will look like 7.5 months from now. I'm already hearing from folks saying that regardless of the situation they will not travel until 2022, even with a vaccine. I suspect we will have some Staff who will refuse to go to Dayton out of fear. I suspect we will have some Board members that will feel that way, too. Frankly, I can't say I'm very excited about the thought of standing at the meet and greet area and bumping elbows with hundreds of hams that I normally shake hands with every year. We just don't know how things will look. However, if Dayton happens, the ARRL must be there. Consequently, I'd recommend that we budget for a regular Dayton as a contingency. Just because we have money in the budget doesn't mean we have to spend it, and ya'll have heard me say that before, if it's cancelled or if we decide to cut back attendance and presentation.
I don't want to derail this thread about Dayton, but it's timely to think about the January Board meeting. I'll be discussing this with the EC for some initial thoughts. I really prefer to have an in-person meeting but Connecticut is likely to still be in somewhat lockdown mode. I was up there this week as you know and the Marriott told me that as of right now they will not have any large events until next April. I've already had several Board members suggest Denver again. We will need to decide this in the next few weeks.
73,
Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Sat, Oct 3, 2020 8:24 am Subject: [arrl-odv:31084] Dayton 2021
Michael Kalter, W8CI, appeared on DXE’s FB live stream yesterday and stated “We are planning on, absolutely, having Hamvention”
As we are now going through the 2021 budgeting and planning process, we’ll need to take some kind of a view as to what our presence there will look like.
Budget and plan for the full boat, and make adjustments if and when dictated by the circumstances.
Thoughts?
David
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We’ve had a prototype mask delivered to HQ, and it was not acceptable. Ria, if you have a great experience with your finished product, please forward me the details. We are continuing to explore an appropriate solution. Even if we forward buy for Dayton and it doesn’t come off, we can always sell on the website. David From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Mickey Baker Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 12:20 PM To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org>; <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Subject: [arrl-odv:31220] Re: Dayton 2021 We're missing a "few thousand dollar easy revenue opportunity" by not getting ARRL logo masks ready for the openings next year. Low effort, good margin. Every little bit helps. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
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