[arrl-odv:33837] ARRL FCC license renewal notices?
A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO
I had a local ham report that ARRL did not notify him of his upcoming license expiration. As his expiration was three weeks away, I suggested he phone the ARRL VEC immediately Monday AM. He did and they quickly processed his renewal. Despite the glitch, he did let me know that he was quite pleased with the response. However, it appears something is broken. 73, -Dale WA8EFK On 7/4/2022 4:29 PM, Michael Ritz wrote:
A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me:
/Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices / /It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. / / / /If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. / / / Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering.
Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this?
Thanks!
73; Mike W7VO / /
/ / / /
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I didn’t get a notice in 2017 when mine was up for renewal. So clearly this process has been broken for a while. Ria N2RJ ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Dale Williams <dale.wms1@frontier.com> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 6:56:01 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33839] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? I had a local ham report that ARRL did not notify him of his upcoming license expiration. As his expiration was three weeks away, I suggested he phone the ARRL VEC immediately Monday AM. He did and they quickly processed his renewal. Despite the glitch, he did let me know that he was quite pleased with the response. However, it appears something is broken. 73, -Dale WA8EFK On 7/4/2022 4:29 PM, Michael Ritz wrote: A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Our system may indeed be broken, but I have also found that many licensees seem to ignore updating their address with the FCC. When I sent out hundreds of notices to all hams within a certain radius (by zip code) to request they attend an important antenna hearing I was conducting for a local ham, (the infamous WN3A case) out of many hundreds of 1st class mail notices, TEN PERCENT came back to me with "forwarding order expired". We got the addresses right from the current FCC ULS system too. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 Serving NNY, WNY, WPA, EPA, SNJ, DE and MD/DC sections www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF <http://www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF> From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 7:11 PM To: Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33840] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? I didn't get a notice in 2017 when mine was up for renewal. So clearly this process has been broken for a while. Ria N2RJ _____ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> > on behalf of Dale Williams <dale.wms1@frontier.com <mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com> > Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 6:56:01 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > Subject: [arrl-odv:33839] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? I had a local ham report that ARRL did not notify him of his upcoming license expiration. As his expiration was three weeks away, I suggested he phone the ARRL VEC immediately Monday AM. He did and they quickly processed his renewal. Despite the glitch, he did let me know that he was quite pleased with the response. However, it appears something is broken. 73, -Dale WA8EFK On 7/4/2022 4:29 PM, Michael Ritz wrote: A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
A local ham, WB2SEB (now W3SEB, as he moved from the Bronx to PA) got a nastygram from the FCC for that. So it’s a ticking time bomb if people just let it be. I believe it was even in an ARRL enforcement bulletin once. To be fair he has some other issues like a felony charge and jamming but it's a risk nonetheless Ria N2RJ ________________________________ From: RBFamiglio@verizon.net <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 9:23:19 AM To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) <n2rj@arrl.org>; Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:33840] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? Our system may indeed be broken, but I have also found that many licensees seem to ignore updating their address with the FCC. When I sent out hundreds of notices to all hams within a certain radius (by zip code) to request they attend an important antenna hearing I was conducting for a local ham, (the infamous WN3A case) out of many hundreds of 1st class mail notices, TEN PERCENT came back to me with “forwarding order expired”. We got the addresses right from the current FCC ULS system too. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 [cid:image001.png@01D89050.DD359790] Serving NNY, WNY, WPA, EPA, SNJ, DE and MD/DC sections www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF<http://www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF> From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 7:11 PM To: Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33840] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? I didn’t get a notice in 2017 when mine was up for renewal. So clearly this process has been broken for a while. Ria N2RJ ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of Dale Williams <dale.wms1@frontier.com<mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com>> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 6:56:01 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:33839] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? I had a local ham report that ARRL did not notify him of his upcoming license expiration. As his expiration was three weeks away, I suggested he phone the ARRL VEC immediately Monday AM. He did and they quickly processed his renewal. Despite the glitch, he did let me know that he was quite pleased with the response. However, it appears something is broken. 73, -Dale WA8EFK On 7/4/2022 4:29 PM, Michael Ritz wrote: A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
What I meant to mention is that other groups, like W5YI, send out courtesy notice postcards. They will not get through to old address either. Bob Famiglio, K3RF From: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) <n2rj@arrl.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 10:09 AM To: Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:33840] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? A local ham, WB2SEB (now W3SEB, as he moved from the Bronx to PA) got a nastygram from the FCC for that. So it's a ticking time bomb if people just let it be. I believe it was even in an ARRL enforcement bulletin once. To be fair he has some other issues like a felony charge and jamming but it's a risk nonetheless Ria N2RJ _____ From: RBFamiglio@verizon.net <mailto:RBFamiglio@verizon.net> <RBFamiglio@verizon.net <mailto:RBFamiglio@verizon.net> > Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 9:23:19 AM To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) <n2rj@arrl.org <mailto:n2rj@arrl.org> >; Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com <mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com> >; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:33840] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? Our system may indeed be broken, but I have also found that many licensees seem to ignore updating their address with the FCC. When I sent out hundreds of notices to all hams within a certain radius (by zip code) to request they attend an important antenna hearing I was conducting for a local ham, (the infamous WN3A case) out of many hundreds of 1st class mail notices, TEN PERCENT came back to me with "forwarding order expired". We got the addresses right from the current FCC ULS system too. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 Serving NNY, WNY, WPA, EPA, SNJ, DE and MD/DC sections www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF <http://www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF> From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> > On Behalf Of Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 7:11 PM To: Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com <mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com> >; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > Subject: [arrl-odv:33840] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? I didn't get a notice in 2017 when mine was up for renewal. So clearly this process has been broken for a while. Ria N2RJ _____ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> > on behalf of Dale Williams <dale.wms1@frontier.com <mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com> > Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 6:56:01 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > Subject: [arrl-odv:33839] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? I had a local ham report that ARRL did not notify him of his upcoming license expiration. As his expiration was three weeks away, I suggested he phone the ARRL VEC immediately Monday AM. He did and they quickly processed his renewal. Despite the glitch, he did let me know that he was quite pleased with the response. However, it appears something is broken. 73, -Dale WA8EFK On 7/4/2022 4:29 PM, Michael Ritz wrote: A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Mike, I believe I remember that you have to select the license renew request in your webpage account profile. No check mark, no license renewal notice. 73, Tom – W3TOM From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Michael Ritz Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 4:30 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:33837] ARRL FCC license renewal notices? A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO
Tom; Here what's listed as choices on the "OPT IN/OUT" page of the new ARRL website profile pages: ARES E-Letter ARRL Board meeting agendas and minutes ARRL Club News - (monthly notification) ARRL Contest Update (bi-weekly contest newsletter) ARRL Current - (monthly digital notification) ARRL Instructor/Teacher E-Letter (Radio Waves) ARRL Legislative Update ARRL Letter Division and Section News IARU E-Letter (International Amateur Radio Union) Publication Announcements and Special Offers W1AW - DX W1AW - General/Special W1AW - Propagation W1AW - Satellite I don't see anything related to opting in to automatic FCC renewals listed. Am I missing something somewhere? 73; Mike W7VO
On 07/04/2022 5:05 PM w3tom@verizon.net wrote:
Mike,
I believe I remember that you have to select the license renew request in your webpage account profile. No check mark, no license renewal notice.
73, Tom – W3TOM
From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Michael Ritz Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 4:30 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:33837] ARRL FCC license renewal notices?
A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me:
Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices
It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail.
If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did.
Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering.
Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this?
Thanks!
73;
Mike
W7VO
I just went to my account and I saw the box for notices of license expiration and ARRL expiration. Carl K9LA ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 8:20 PM To: Abernethy, Tom, W3TOM (Dir, AT) <w3tom@verizon.net>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33842] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? Tom; Here what's listed as choices on the "OPT IN/OUT" page of the new ARRL website profile pages: ARES E-Letter ARRL Board meeting agendas and minutes ARRL Club News - (monthly notification) ARRL Contest Update (bi-weekly contest newsletter) ARRL Current - (monthly digital notification) ARRL Instructor/Teacher E-Letter (Radio Waves) ARRL Legislative Update ARRL Letter Division and Section News IARU E-Letter (International Amateur Radio Union) Publication Announcements and Special Offers W1AW - DX W1AW - General/Special W1AW - Propagation W1AW - Satellite I don't see anything related to opting in to automatic FCC renewals listed. Am I missing something somewhere? 73; Mike W7VO On 07/04/2022 5:05 PM w3tom@verizon.net wrote: Mike, I believe I remember that you have to select the license renew request in your webpage account profile. No check mark, no license renewal notice. 73, Tom – W3TOM From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Michael Ritz Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 4:30 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:33837] ARRL FCC license renewal notices? A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO
Tom is correct- Here are my choices on the opt in/ opt out page: Email ARES E-Letter ARRL Board meeting agendas and minutes ARRL Club News - (monthly notification) ARRL Current - (monthly digital notification) ARRL Legislative Update ARRL Letter Division and Section News Notification of license expiration Publication Announcements and Special Offers W1AW - DX W1AW - General/Special W1AW - Propagation There is a notification of license expiration. I do not remember an ARRL notification in 2020, but I probably did not give them enough time. I had my calendar set for 90 days prior to expiration and renewed via FCC ULS on the first day I could do so. Since the upgrade, there is not a direct link to your profile page under your login. I miss that link. It is a bit more difficult to have members navigate to their opt in/opt out page. ‘73 de Jim N2ZZ Director – Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia ARRL – the national association for Amateur Radio Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division Website: <http://www.arrl-roanoke.org/> www.arrl-roanoke.org From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Michael Ritz Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 8:21 PM To: w3tom@verizon.net; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:33842] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? Tom; Here what's listed as choices on the "OPT IN/OUT" page of the new ARRL website profile pages: ARES E-Letter ARRL Board meeting agendas and minutes ARRL Club News - (monthly notification) ARRL Contest Update (bi-weekly contest newsletter) ARRL Current - (monthly digital notification) ARRL Instructor/Teacher E-Letter (Radio Waves) ARRL Legislative Update ARRL Letter Division and Section News IARU E-Letter (International Amateur Radio Union) Publication Announcements and Special Offers W1AW - DX W1AW - General/Special W1AW - Propagation W1AW - Satellite I don't see anything related to opting in to automatic FCC renewals listed. Am I missing something somewhere? 73; Mike W7VO On 07/04/2022 5:05 PM w3tom@verizon.net <mailto:w3tom@verizon.net> wrote: Mike, I believe I remember that you have to select the license renew request in your webpage account profile. No check mark, no license renewal notice. 73, Tom – W3TOM From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> > On Behalf Of Michael Ritz Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 4:30 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33837] ARRL FCC license renewal notices? A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see <http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices> http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO
After you log in, your name is a hot link to your profile page. From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "James F. Boehner, MD via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Reply-To: "James F. Boehner, MD" <jboehner01@yahoo.com> Date: Monday, July 4, 2022 at 8:29 PM To: 'Michael Ritz' <w7vo@comcast.net>, "w3tom@verizon.net" <w3tom@verizon.net>, "arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33844] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? < > Since the upgrade, there is not a direct link to your profile page under your login. I miss that link. It is a bit more difficult to have members navigate to their opt in/opt out page. ‘73 de Jim N2ZZ Director – Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia ARRL – the national association for Amateur Radio Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division Website: www.arrl-roanoke.org<http://www.arrl-roanoke.org/> [Text, logo Description automatically generated] From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Michael Ritz Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 8:21 PM To: w3tom@verizon.net; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:33842] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? Tom; Here what's listed as choices on the "OPT IN/OUT" page of the new ARRL website profile pages: ARES E-Letter ARRL Board meeting agendas and minutes ARRL Club News - (monthly notification) ARRL Contest Update (bi-weekly contest newsletter) ARRL Current - (monthly digital notification) ARRL Instructor/Teacher E-Letter (Radio Waves) ARRL Legislative Update ARRL Letter Division and Section News IARU E-Letter (International Amateur Radio Union) Publication Announcements and Special Offers W1AW - DX W1AW - General/Special W1AW - Propagation W1AW - Satellite I don't see anything related to opting in to automatic FCC renewals listed. Am I missing something somewhere? 73; Mike W7VO On 07/04/2022 5:05 PM w3tom@verizon.net<mailto:w3tom@verizon.net> wrote: Mike, I believe I remember that you have to select the license renew request in your webpage account profile. No check mark, no license renewal notice. 73, Tom – W3TOM From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> On Behalf Of Michael Ritz Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 4:30 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33837] ARRL FCC license renewal notices? A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO
This is getting interesting.... Why doesn't my profile page have the ability to opt in or out for "Notification of license expiration" , as Dr. Boehner's does? I showed you all a copy of what's on my Profile page for OPT IN/OUT. There is something I'm not seeing, somewhere..... I looked at all the profile setting pages, and there is nothing I can easily find to turn on that particular "feature". 73; Mike W7VO
On 07/04/2022 5:29 PM James F. Boehner, MD <jboehner01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom is correct- Here are my choices on the opt in/ opt out page:
ARES E-Letter
ARRL Board meeting agendas and minutes
ARRL Club News - (monthly notification)
ARRL Current - (monthly digital notification)
ARRL Legislative Update
ARRL Letter
Division and Section News
Notification of license expiration
Publication Announcements and Special Offers
W1AW - DX
W1AW - General/Special
W1AW - Propagation
There is a notification of license expiration.
I do not remember an ARRL notification in 2020, but I probably did not give them enough time. I had my calendar set for 90 days prior to expiration and renewed via FCC ULS on the first day I could do so.
Since the upgrade, there is not a direct link to your profile page under your login. I miss that link. It is a bit more difficult to have members navigate to their opt in/opt out page.
‘73 de Jim N2ZZ
Director – Roanoke Division
Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia
ARRL – the national association for Amateur Radio
Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division
Website: www.arrl-roanoke.org http://www.arrl-roanoke.org/
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From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Michael Ritz Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 8:21 PM To: w3tom@verizon.net; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:33842] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices?
Tom;
Here what's listed as choices on the "OPT IN/OUT" page of the new ARRL website profile pages:
ARES E-Letter
ARRL Board meeting agendas and minutes
ARRL Club News - (monthly notification)
ARRL Contest Update (bi-weekly contest newsletter)
ARRL Current - (monthly digital notification)
ARRL Instructor/Teacher E-Letter (Radio Waves)
ARRL Legislative Update
ARRL Letter
Division and Section News
IARU E-Letter (International Amateur Radio Union)
Publication Announcements and Special Offers
W1AW - DX
W1AW - General/Special
W1AW - Propagation
W1AW - Satellite
I don't see anything related to opting in to automatic FCC renewals listed. Am I missing something somewhere?
73;
Mike W7VO
> >
On 07/04/2022 5:05 PM w3tom@verizon.net mailto:w3tom@verizon.net wrote:
Mike,
I believe I remember that you have to select the license renew request in your webpage account profile. No check mark, no license renewal notice.
73, Tom – W3TOM
From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org > On Behalf Of Michael Ritz Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 4:30 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:33837] ARRL FCC license renewal notices?
A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me:
Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices
It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail.
If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did.
Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering.
Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this?
Thanks!
73;
Mike
W7VO
>
Hit the edit button and you will see all of the choices.Ed Hudgens WB4RHQ Vice Dir. Delta Div. ARRL Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> Date: 7/4/22 9:25 PM (GMT-06:00) To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:33846] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? This is getting interesting.... Why doesn't my profile page have the ability to opt in or out for "Notification of license expiration" , as Dr. Boehner's does? I showed you all a copy of what's on my Profile page for OPT IN/OUT. There is something I'm not seeing, somewhere..... I looked at all the profile setting pages, and there is nothing I can easily find to turn on that particular "feature". 73; MikeW7VO On 07/04/2022 5:29 PM James F. Boehner, MD <jboehner01@yahoo.com> wrote: Tom is correct- Here are my choices on the opt in/ opt out page: Email ARES E-Letter ARRL Board meeting agendas and minutes ARRL Club News - (monthly notification) ARRL Current - (monthly digital notification) ARRL Legislative Update ARRL Letter Division and Section News Notification of license expiration Publication Announcements and Special Offers W1AW - DX W1AW - General/Special W1AW - Propagation There is a notification of license expiration. I do not remember an ARRL notification in 2020, but I probably did not give them enough time. I had my calendar set for 90 days prior to expiration and renewed via FCC ULS on the first day I could do so. Since the upgrade, there is not a direct link to your profile page under your login. I miss that link. It is a bit more difficult to have members navigate to their opt in/opt out page. ‘73 de Jim N2ZZ Director – Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia ARRL – the national association for Amateur Radio Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division Website: www.arrl-roanoke.org From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Michael RitzSent: Monday, July 4, 2022 8:21 PMTo: w3tom@verizon.net; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.orgSubject: [arrl-odv:33842] Re: ARRL FCC license renewal notices? Tom; Here what's listed as choices on the "OPT IN/OUT" page of the new ARRL website profile pages: ARES E-Letter ARRL Board meeting agendas and minutes ARRL Club News - (monthly notification) ARRL Contest Update (bi-weekly contest newsletter) ARRL Current - (monthly digital notification) ARRL Instructor/Teacher E-Letter (Radio Waves) ARRL Legislative Update ARRL Letter Division and Section News IARU E-Letter (International Amateur Radio Union) Publication Announcements and Special Offers W1AW - DX W1AW - General/Special W1AW - Propagation W1AW - Satellite I don't see anything related to opting in to automatic FCC renewals listed. Am I missing something somewhere? 73; Mike W7VO On 07/04/2022 5:05 PM w3tom@verizon.net wrote: Mike, I believe I remember that you have to select the license renew request in your webpage account profile. No check mark, no license renewal notice. 73, Tom – W3TOM From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Michael RitzSent: Monday, July 4, 2022 4:30 PMTo: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.orgSubject: [arrl-odv:33837] ARRL FCC license renewal notices? A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO
ODV, The FCC does not send expiration reminders to licensees in the amateur service. Now that all amateur licensees are required to have a valid email address on file, the FCC might consider sending email reminders if asked. They already automatically email reminders to licensees in some of the commercial wireless services through ULS. Whether to explore this with the FCC is for you guys to decide. With or without FCC email reminders, it may be a help to ARRL if it emailed reminders as another “touch” for members and would-be members. 73, Dave K3ZJ David R. Siddall Managing Partner DS Law, PLLC 1629 K St. NW, Ste 300 Washington, DC 20006 direct: +1 202 559 4690 Unauthorized Disclosure Prohibited. This e-mail is intended solely for the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary, confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, it is prohibited to disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email and its attachments. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all electronic and physical copies of the e-mail message and its attachments. Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of attorney-client or any other privilege. Thank you. From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> Date: Monday, July 4, 2022 at 4:30 PM To: "arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33837] ARRL FCC license renewal notices? A member accidently let his amateur license lapse, and was wondering why the FCC didn't send him a renewal notice before it expired. I explained that one to him, (the "Paperwork Reduction Act"), then he wondered why he also didn't get a renewal notice from ARRL. I couldn't explain that one. Here's what he sent me: Incidentally, I just did a google search, (which brings up another issue...) where ARRL says on their website that expiration notices are a "benefit of membership"... see http://www.arrl.org/expiration-notices It doesn't specify email or snail mail, but the wording suggests snail mail. If that's no longer the case, that page needs to be updated. I may have received one but I don't think I did. Is this something that Personify broke, or is this an anomaly? I haven't had any other questions about it, but was wondering. Anybody else on ODV had recent issues with this? Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO
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Dale Williams -
david davidsiddall-law.com -
ebhudgens -
Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) -
James F. Boehner, MD -
Luetzelschwab, Carl, K9LA (Dir, CD) -
Michael Ritz -
RBFamiglio＠verizon.net -
w3tom＠verizon.net