[arrl-odv:30879] FCC 9 CM Band on Sept. 30 Agenda
I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the 3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal – immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this. The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week. The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI. The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are 5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made. I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use. FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE NOW Act<tel:3450%E2%80%933550>, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible. Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G FAST<https://www.fcc.gov/5G>, to coin a phrase. Dave David R. Siddall Managing Partner DS Law, PLLC 1629 K St. NW, Ste 300 Washington, DC 20006 direct: +1 202 559 4690 Unauthorized Disclosure Prohibited. This e-mail is intended solely for the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary, confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, it is prohibited to disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email and its attachments. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all electronic and physical copies of the e-mail message and its attachments. Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of attorney-client or any other privilege. Thank you.
I'm on the AREDN facebook page and will poll that group directly. Mark, HDX On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 7:30 PM david davidsiddall-law.com < david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote:
I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the 3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal – immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this.
The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week.
The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI.
The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are 5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made.
I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use.
FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT
Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE NOW Act <3450%E2%80%933550>, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible.
Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G FAST <https://www.fcc.gov/5G>, to coin a phrase.
Dave
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Hello David, Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to makethe Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amountof use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there isa large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by theweak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz. IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395 to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency.Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appearthat we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band".I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothingelse try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible. Is there any additional information available today ? 73, Kermit W9XA On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote: I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the 3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal – immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this. The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week. The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI. The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are 5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made. I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use. FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible. Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G FAST, to coin a phrase. Dave David R. Siddall Managing Partner DS Law, PLLC 1629 K St. NW, Ste 300 Washington, DC 20006 direct: +1 202 559 4690 Unauthorized Disclosure Prohibited. This e-mail is intended solely for the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary, confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, it is prohibited to disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email and its attachments. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all electronic and physical copies of the e-mail message and its attachments. 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David and ODV, I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz. There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwave bands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, *directly* *addresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold)*: *(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.* *(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.* *(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.* *(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.* *(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.* I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area. 73's, Rod, K0DAS On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hello David,
Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to make the Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amount of use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there is a large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by the weak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz.
IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395 to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency. Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appear that we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band". I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothing else try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible.
Is there any additional information available today ?
73, Kermit W9XA
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote:
I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the 3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal – immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this.
The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week.
The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI.
The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are 5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made.
I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use.
FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT
Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible.
Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G FAST <https://www.fcc.gov/5G>, to coin a phrase.
Dave
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Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well? Both 3.4 and 5 GHz Just a thought. Mark, HDX On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome <rod.blocksome@gmail.com> wrote:
David and ODV,
I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz.
There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwave bands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, *directly* *addresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold)*:
*(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.*
*(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.*
*(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.*
*(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.*
*(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.*
I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area.
73's, Rod, K0DAS
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hello David,
Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to make the Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amount of use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there is a large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by the weak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz.
IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395 to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency. Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appear that we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band". I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothing else try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible.
Is there any additional information available today ?
73, Kermit W9XA
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote:
I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the 3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal – immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this.
The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week.
The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI.
The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are 5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made.
I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use.
FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT
Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible.
Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G FAST <https://www.fcc.gov/5G>, to coin a phrase.
Dave
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Mark, Sorry to say that would not not helpful, that suggestion has beenconsidered previously... 73, Kermit W9XA On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:01:11 AM CDT, Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote: Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well? Both 3.4 and 5 GHz Just a thought. Mark, HDX On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome <rod.blocksome@gmail.com> wrote: David and ODV, I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz. There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwavebands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, directlyaddresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold): (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications. (b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art. (c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art. (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts. (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill. I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area. 73's, Rod, K0DAS On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Hello David, Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to makethe Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amountof use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there isa large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by theweak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz. IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395 to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency.Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appearthat we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band".I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothingelse try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible. Is there any additional information available today ? 73, Kermit W9XA On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote: I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the 3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal – immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this. The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week. The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI. The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are 5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made. I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use. FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible. Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G FAST, to coin a phrase. Dave David R. 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Just looking for quick data on band use. Thanks Kermit. Mark On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:53 AM Kermit Carlson <w9xa@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mark,
Sorry to say that would not not helpful, that suggestion has been considered previously...
73, Kermit W9XA
On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:01:11 AM CDT, Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well?
Both 3.4 and 5 GHz
Just a thought.
Mark, HDX
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome <rod.blocksome@gmail.com> wrote:
David and ODV,
I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz.
There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwave bands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, *directly* *addresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold)*:
*(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.*
*(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.*
*(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.*
*(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.*
*(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.*
I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area.
73's, Rod, K0DAS
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hello David,
Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to make the Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amount of use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there is a large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by the weak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz.
IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395 to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency. Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appear that we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band". I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothing else try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible.
Is there any additional information available today ?
73, Kermit W9XA
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote:
I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the 3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal – immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this.
The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week.
The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI.
The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are 5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made.
I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use.
FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT
Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible.
Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G FAST <https://www.fcc.gov/5G>, to coin a phrase.
Dave
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There is not a lot of volume on that band. Rather there is a smaller group of enthusiasts who advance the radio art. So we can’t really argue based on volume. We have to argue based on utility. And I generally agree that emcomm shouldn’t be the only strategy. However it provides a major public benefit use case. That said, we should also be pushing the “STEM” argument as that is a major part of basis and purpose as well. 73 Ria N2RJ On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:01 PM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
Just looking for quick data on band use.
Thanks Kermit.
Mark
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:53 AM Kermit Carlson <w9xa@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mark,
Sorry to say that would not not helpful, that suggestion has been considered previously...
73, Kermit W9XA
On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:01:11 AM CDT, Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well?
Both 3.4 and 5 GHz
Just a thought.
Mark, HDX
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome <rod.blocksome@gmail.com> wrote:
David and ODV,
I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz.
There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwave bands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, *directly* *addresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold)*:
*(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.*
*(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.*
*(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.*
*(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.*
*(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.*
I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area.
73's, Rod, K0DAS
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hello David,
Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to make the Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amount of use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there is a large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by the weak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz.
IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395
to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency. Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appear that we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band". I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothing else try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible.
Is there any additional information available today ?
73, Kermit W9XA
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote:
I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the
3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal –
immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this.
The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he
covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications
use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week.
The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI.
The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are
5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made.
I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or
hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use.
FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT
Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this
band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE
NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White
House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible.
Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building
on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for
innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial
use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial
operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have
a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G
FAST <https://www.fcc.gov/5G>, to coin a phrase.
Dave
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Here is the website for the AREDN group, IMHO by far the largest user of both the 5.8 and 3.3 GHz bands, and primarily for EmComm use: https://www.arednmesh.org/ It would be very helpful to reach out to this group for specific data. There is a large AREDN mesh network in the Seattle, WA area, and also in Alaska. I'll reach out to those folks and see what I can get. 73; Mike W7VO
On 09/10/2020 10:10 AM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
There is not a lot of volume on that band. Rather there is a smaller group of enthusiasts who advance the radio art. So we can’t really argue based on volume. We have to argue based on utility.
And I generally agree that emcomm shouldn’t be the only strategy. However it provides a major public benefit use case. That said, we should also be pushing the “STEM” argument as that is a major part of basis and purpose as well.
73 Ria N2RJ
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:01 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com > wrote:
> > Just looking for quick data on band use.
Thanks Kermit.
Mark
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:53 AM Kermit Carlson < w9xa@yahoo.com mailto:w9xa@yahoo.com > wrote:
> > >
Mark,
Sorry to say that would not not helpful, that suggestion has been considered previously...
73, Kermit W9XA
On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:01:11 AM CDT, Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com > wrote:
Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well?
Both 3.4 and 5 GHz
Just a thought.
Mark, HDX
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome < rod.blocksome@gmail.com mailto:rod.blocksome@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > David and ODV,
I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz.
There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwave bands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, directly addresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold):
> > > > > (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.
> > > > I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area.
73's, Rod, K0DAS
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > wrote:
> > > > >
Hello David,
Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to make the Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amount of use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there is a large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by the weak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz.
IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395
to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency. Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appear that we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band". I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothing else try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible.
Is there any additional information available today ?
73, Kermit W9XA
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com < david@davidsiddall-law.com mailto:david@davidsiddall-law.com > wrote:
I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the
3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal –
immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this.
The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he
covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications
use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week.
The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI.
The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are
5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made.
I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or
hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use.
FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT
Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this
band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE
NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White
House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible.
Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building
on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for
innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial
use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial
operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have
a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G
FAST https://www.fcc.gov/5G , to coin a phrase.
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A member has suggested to me that we pull logs from LoTW and do some statistical analysis. Not necessarily for number of contacts but things like distance where we can show the band being used for experimental purposes. IMO it is quality, not quantity we are looking for. I’ve also reached out to Gordon Beattie (W2TTT) and Randy WU2S to see if they have anything as they are also AREDN folks. We may have this data already though. Ria N2RJ On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:53 PM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Mark,
Sorry to say that would not not helpful, that suggestion has been considered previously...
73, Kermit W9XA
On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:01:11 AM CDT, Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well?
Both 3.4 and 5 GHz
Just a thought.
Mark, HDX
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome <rod.blocksome@gmail.com> wrote:
David and ODV,
I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz.
There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwave bands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, *directly* *addresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold)*:
*(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.*
*(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.*
*(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.*
*(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.*
*(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.*
I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area.
73's, Rod, K0DAS
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hello David,
Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to make the Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amount of use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there is a large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by the weak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz.
IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395
to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency. Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appear that we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band". I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothing else try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible.
Is there any additional information available today ?
73, Kermit W9XA
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote:
I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the
3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal –
immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this.
The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he
covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications
use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week.
The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI.
The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are
5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made.
I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or
hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use.
FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT
Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this
band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE
NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White
House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible.
Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building
on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for
innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial
use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial
operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have
a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G
FAST <https://www.fcc.gov/5G>, to coin a phrase.
Dave
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Ria, I doubt that the fact my best DX in the past UHF and above Contest on 3.3 GHz was 350 km with 50 watts, would hold any sway with the Commission. What would work against us is that there would only be 5 stations active for the contest on 3.3 GHz within 150 km of a city the size of Chicago, and the fact that number is half of the stations equipped for the band in that same area. 73, Kermit W9XA Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 16:43, rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: A member has suggested to me that we pull logs from LoTW and do some statistical analysis. Not necessarily for number of contacts but things like distance where we can show the band being used for experimental purposes. IMO it is quality, not quantity we are looking for. I’ve also reached out to Gordon Beattie (W2TTT) and Randy WU2S to see if they have anything as they are also AREDN folks. We may have this data already though. RiaN2RJ On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:53 PM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Mark, Sorry to say that would not not helpful, that suggestion has beenconsidered previously... 73, Kermit W9XA On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:01:11 AM CDT, Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote: Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well? Both 3.4 and 5 GHz Just a thought. Mark, HDX On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome <rod.blocksome@gmail.com> wrote: David and ODV, I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz. There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwavebands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, directlyaddresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold): (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications. (b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art. (c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art. (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts. (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill. I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area. 73's, Rod, K0DAS On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Hello David, Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to makethe Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amountof use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there isa large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by theweak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz. IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395 to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency.Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appearthat we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band".I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothingelse try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible. Is there any additional information available today ? 73, Kermit W9XA On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote: I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the 3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal – immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this. The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week. The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI. The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are 5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made. I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use. FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible. Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G FAST, to coin a phrase. Dave David R. 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Hello All, What I find extremely unacceptable is that the only strategy advanced is one where we seem to be pursuing is the measured withdrawal from this band. When we finally loose, that option would be a last move. There should be a filing and statement of strong objection with the of points similar to those that Rod has posted. Our voice of opposition should be prepared go beyond the Commission. Attempting to use contest logs will not present the strongest tenant for the public good available through continued access to some portion of 3.3 Ghz by amateur radio. We will not be successful trying to make our case on the objective numbers of bandwidth occupancy. But we must make a strong objection to loss of any access by the only non-commercial use that emphasizes education, experimentation and public service.The League shouldn't be seen as just laying down.... if we don't strongly oppose this we are not fulfilling our obligations. There needs to be activism beyond seeking access to the band until the successful bidder takes “possession”. Other areas on the globe have been successful with at least some access to the 3.3 GHz spectrum on frequencies best characterized as guard bands. That seems to be an achievable minimum, but not the goal. I am asking my colleagues if we would be ready to go to Congress to prevent the total loss of access to 3 GHz ? Thank You 73, Kermit W9XA Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 17:39, Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Ria, I doubt that the fact my best DX in the past UHF and above Contest on 3.3 GHz was 350 km with 50 watts, would hold any sway with the Commission. What would work against us is that there would only be 5 stations active for the contest on 3.3 GHz within 150 km of a city the size of Chicago, and the fact that number is half of the stations equipped for the band in that same area. 73, Kermit W9XA Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 16:43, rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: A member has suggested to me that we pull logs from LoTW and do some statistical analysis. Not necessarily for number of contacts but things like distance where we can show the band being used for experimental purposes. IMO it is quality, not quantity we are looking for. I’ve also reached out to Gordon Beattie (W2TTT) and Randy WU2S to see if they have anything as they are also AREDN folks. We may have this data already though. RiaN2RJ On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:53 PM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Mark, Sorry to say that would not not helpful, that suggestion has beenconsidered previously... 73, Kermit W9XA On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:01:11 AM CDT, Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote: Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well? Both 3.4 and 5 GHz Just a thought. Mark, HDX On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome <rod.blocksome@gmail.com> wrote: David and ODV, I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz. There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwavebands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, directlyaddresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold): (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications. (b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art. (c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art. (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts. (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill. I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area. 73's, Rod, K0DAS On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Hello David, Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to makethe Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amountof use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there isa large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by theweak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz. IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395 to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency.Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appearthat we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band".I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothingelse try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible. Is there any additional information available today ? 73, Kermit W9XA On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote: I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the 3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal – immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this. The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week. The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI. The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are 5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made. I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use. FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible. Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G FAST, to coin a phrase. Dave David R. 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Sign me up! Bud, W2RU
On Sep 10, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I am asking my colleagues if we would be ready to go to Congress to prevent the total loss of access to 3 GHz ?
Thank You
73, Kermit W9XA
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Sign me up!
Bud, W2RU
On Sep 10, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I am asking my colleagues if we would be ready to go to Congress to prevent the total loss of access to 3 GHz ?
Thank You
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Ditto. I'll go. I'll bring friends too. Ria N2RJ On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:11 PM Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) <w2ru@arrl.org> wrote:
Sign me up!
Bud, W2RU
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I am asking my colleagues if we would be ready to go to Congress to prevent the total loss of access to 3 GHz ?
Thank You
73, Kermit W9XA
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I would support a more vigorous response. We should not go gentle into that good night... On Sep 10, 2020, 5:14 PM, at 5:14 PM, Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hello All, What I find extremely unacceptable is that the only strategy advanced is one where we seem to be pursuing is the measured withdrawal from this band. When we finally loose, that option would be a last move. There should be a filing and statement of strong objection with the of points similar to those that Rod has posted. Our voice of opposition should be prepared go beyond the Commission. Attempting to use contest logs will not present the strongest tenant for the public good available through continued access to some portion of 3.3 Ghz by amateur radio. We will not be successful trying to make our case on the objective numbers of bandwidth occupancy. But we must make a strong objection to loss of any access by the only non-commercial use that emphasizes education, experimentation and public service.The League shouldn't be seen as just laying down.... if we don't strongly oppose this we are not fulfilling our obligations. There needs to be activism beyond seeking access to the band until the successful bidder takes “possession”. Other areas on the globe have been successful with at least some access to the 3.3 GHz spectrum on frequencies best characterized as guard bands. That seems to be an achievable minimum, but not the goal. I am asking my colleagues if we would be ready to go to Congress to prevent the total loss of access to 3 GHz ? Thank You 73, Kermit W9XA
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On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 17:39, Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Ria, I doubt that the fact my best DX in the past UHF and above Contest on 3.3 GHz was 350 km with 50 watts, would hold any sway with the Commission. What would work against us is that there would only be 5 stations active for the contest on 3.3 GHz within 150 km of a city the size of Chicago, and the fact that number is half of the stations equipped for the band in that same area. 73, Kermit W9XA
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On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 16:43, rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
A member has suggested to me that we pull logs from LoTW and do some statistical analysis. Not necessarily for number of contacts but things like distance where we can show the band being used for experimental purposes. IMO it is quality, not quantity we are looking for. I’ve also reached out to Gordon Beattie (W2TTT) and Randy WU2S to see if they have anything as they are also AREDN folks. We may have this data already though.
RiaN2RJ
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:53 PM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Mark, Sorry to say that would not not helpful, that suggestion has beenconsidered previously... 73, Kermit W9XA
On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:01:11 AM CDT, Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well? Both 3.4 and 5 GHz
Just a thought.
Mark, HDX
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome <rod.blocksome@gmail.com> wrote:
David and ODV, I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz. There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwavebands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, directlyaddresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold):
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications. (b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art. (c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art. (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts. (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.
I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area. 73's, Rod, K0DAS On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hello David, Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to makethe Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amountof use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there isa large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by theweak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz.
IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395
to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency.Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appearthat we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band".I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothingelse try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible. Is there any additional information available today ? 73, Kermit W9XA
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote:
I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the
3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal –
immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this.
The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he
covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications
use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week.
The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI.
The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are
5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made.
I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or
hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use.
FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT
Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this
band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE
NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White
House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible.
Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building
on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for
innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial
use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial
operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have
a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G
FAST, to coin a phrase.
Dave
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On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Ria,
I doubt that the fact my best DX in the past UHF and above Contest on 3.3 GHz was 350 km with 50 watts, would hold any sway with the Commission. What would work against us is that there would only be 5 stations active for the contest on 3.3 GHz within 150 km of a city the size of Chicago, and the fact that number is half of the stations equipped for the band in that same area.
73, Kermit W9XA
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On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 16:43, rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
A member has suggested to me that we pull logs from LoTW and do some statistical analysis. Not necessarily for number of contacts but things like distance where we can show the band being used for experimental purposes.
IMO it is quality, not quantity we are looking for.
I’ve also reached out to Gordon Beattie (W2TTT) and Randy WU2S to see if they have anything as they are also AREDN folks. We may have this data already though.
Ria N2RJ
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:53 PM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Mark,
Sorry to say that would not not helpful, that suggestion has been considered previously...
73, Kermit W9XA
On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:01:11 AM CDT, Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well?
Both 3.4 and 5 GHz
Just a thought.
Mark, HDX
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome <rod.blocksome@gmail.com> wrote: David and ODV,
I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz.
There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwave bands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, directly addresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold):
(a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications.
(b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art.
(c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art.
(d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts.
(e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill.
I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area.
73's, Rod, K0DAS
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hello David,
Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to make the Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amount of use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there is a large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by the weak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz.
IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395
to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency. Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appear that we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band". I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothing else try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible.
Is there any additional information available today ?
73, Kermit W9XA
On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote:
I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the
3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal –
immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this.
The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he
covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications
use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week.
The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI.
The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are
5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made.
I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or
hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use.
FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT
Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this
band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE
NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White
House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible.
Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building
on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for
innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial
use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial
operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have
a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s 5G
FAST, to coin a phrase.
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For those who have not seen it yet, here is the hyperlink to the August 28th blog post on mesh networks from former FEMA Director Craig Fugate, KK4INZ. Where he did not mention Amateur Radio in his last major emergency communications article in The Hill on May 26, this time he explicitly mentions Amateur Radio as a contributing force. From what I can gather, Fugate still has lots of credibility and friends in Washington. https://www.rrmediagroup.com/Features/FeaturesDetails/FID/1015#:~:text=Forme.... <https://www.rrmediagroup.com/Features/FeaturesDetails/FID/1015#:~:text=Former%20Federal%20Emergency%20Management%20Administration,such%20as%20hurricanes%20and%20wildfires.&text=Cellphones%20can%20then%20talk%20to,use%20it%20for%20Wi%2DFi> &text=Cellphones%20can%20then%20talk%20to,use%20it%20for%20Wi%2DFi. 73 de Bill Morine, N2COP Vice Director – Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia www.arrl-roanoke.org <http://www.arrl-roanoke.org/> Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division ARRL – The National Association for Amateur Radio From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of David Norris via arrl-odv Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:54 PM To: Kermit Carlson <w9xa@yahoo.com> Cc: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:30909] Re: FCC 9 CM Band on Sept. 30 Agenda Yes! I’ll get my people ready when needed. 73 David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > wrote: Ria, I doubt that the fact my best DX in the past UHF and above Contest on 3.3 GHz was 350 km with 50 watts, would hold any sway with the Commission. What would work against us is that there would only be 5 stations active for the contest on 3.3 GHz within 150 km of a city the size of Chicago, and the fact that number is half of the stations equipped for the band in that same area. 73, Kermit W9XA Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS> On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 16:43, rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> > wrote: A member has suggested to me that we pull logs from LoTW and do some statistical analysis. Not necessarily for number of contacts but things like distance where we can show the band being used for experimental purposes. IMO it is quality, not quantity we are looking for. I’ve also reached out to Gordon Beattie (W2TTT) and Randy WU2S to see if they have anything as they are also AREDN folks. We may have this data already though. Ria N2RJ On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 12:53 PM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > wrote: Mark, Sorry to say that would not not helpful, that suggestion has been considered previously... 73, Kermit W9XA On Thursday, September 10, 2020, 11:01:11 AM CDT, Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com <mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com> > wrote: Perhaps we could have the contest branch pull up some data on recent contests and have that data available as well? Both 3.4 and 5 GHz Just a thought. Mark, HDX On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:41 AM Rod Blocksome <rod.blocksome@gmail.com <mailto:rod.blocksome@gmail.com> > wrote: David and ODV, I too echo Kermit's sentiments on retaining at least a small slice of bandwidth at or near 3400 MHz. There are numerous amateurs in the US engaged in technical and scientific pursuits on our microwave bands using the so-called "weak signal modes" e.g. CW, SSB, and WSJT-X digital. This technical pursuit by those amateurs, though frequently not publicised, directly addresses four of the five FCC stated reasons for the existence of the amateur radio service - namely (in bold): (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service to the public as a voluntary noncommercial communication service, particularly with respect to providing emergency communications. (b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to contribute to the advancement of the radio art. (c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur service through rules which provide for advancing skills in both the communication and technical phases of the art. (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio service of trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts. (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance international goodwill. I too am active on 3456.100 MHz with 40 watts on CW & SSB as are four other amateurs in the Cedar Rapids, IA area. 73's, Rod, K0DAS On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > wrote: Hello David, Thank you for that (unfortunate) report of our situation. I do want to make the Board aware that although the use of 3.3 and 5.7 GHz has a great amount of use for data transmission in support of emergency communications there is a large amount of interest in maintaining at least small slivers for use by the weak signal and EME community. As a matter of disclosure, I am active and equipped for weak-signal operation on 3456 MHz. IARU Region one has provided a smaller area at 3400-3410 MHz or 3395 to 3405 MHz. 3400.1 MHz has become the EME calling frequency. Although loosing access to the full bands is a terrible option, it does appear that we could at least maintain access to a smaller "guard band". I have heard the request from many of the weak signal operators that if nothing else try to obtain a sliver of spectrum near 3 GHz if at all possible. Is there any additional information available today ? 73, Kermit W9XA On Tuesday, September 8, 2020, 9:30:23 PM CDT, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com <mailto:david@davidsiddall-law.com> > wrote: I wanted to let you know that in the wake of last month’s Defense Department/FCC agreement on reallocating 3450-3550 GHz, the FCC has scheduled for Sept. 30 action on the 3.3-3.55 GHz proceeding generally. The Chairman spoke about it today. The draft provides for removing all secondary as well as primary operation – including radio amateur uses. What I do not know is the Commission’s proposed timeframe for the removal – immediate, when re-licensed, or what. Tomorrow I will learn that and any other pertinent details. We will, of course, reinvigorate work to oppose this. The one publication that all FCC staffers and Commissioners receive and at least peruse is Communications Daily. I’ve discussed this issue with the editor there and he covered our earlier filing. Tomorrow’s edition prominently notes on page 1 that “Amateur operators raised objections, saying they need the broader 3.3-3.55 GHz for data networks in support of emergency communications”. And indeed, emergency communications use will be our take-off point in opposing this over the next week. The FCC Chairman also described the proposal in a blog posting, the pertinent part of which is extracted below FYI. The current FCC seems to have a real problem understanding the concept of secondary use and wasting spectrum by letting it lie idle. We’ll see what we can do. There are 5 votes for this, Dems and Reps., but that doesn’t mean some change can’t be made. I am making inquiries, but if you have concrete information on use of 3.4 GHz amateur systems related to the forest fires in CA and/or hurricanes in the gulf coast this year, please send it to me ASAP, so that I am sure to have it, thanks. A one-or-two sentence description of what the use was and confirmed use in this band is all that is necessary for each use. FCC CHAIRMAN PAI BLOG EXCERPT Today, 750 megahertz of spectrum in the 2.9–3.65 GHz band is allocated for high-powered defense radar systems. But the average measured occupancy (or use) of the 3450–3550 MHz segment of this band is less than 1% at sites without a significant military presence, according to a study recently completed by the Department of Commerce’s National Telecommunications and Information Administration. In the MOBILE NOW Act, Congress required that the 3100–3550 MHz band be studied for the feasibility of commercial use. In 2018, NTIA identified the 3.45–3.55 GHz band for potential repurposing to spur commercial wireless innovation. And most recently, the White House and the Department of Defense announced last month that this 100 megahertz of contiguous mid-band spectrum should be made available for 5G as quickly as possible. Fortunately, the FCC was already working on ways to maximize use of this spectrum, so we are able to move quickly to do our part to repurpose this mid-band spectrum for commercial 5G. Building on a rulemaking launched in 2019, I have circulated to my fellow commissioners a Report and Order to remove the secondary, non-federal allocations from the 3.3–3.55 GHz band. This is a critical first step toward making the 3.45–3.55 GHz band available for innovative commercial operations while accommodating limited remaining operations by federal incumbents — one we’ll vote on at our next meeting on September 30. We will also vote on seeking comment on further changes to the band to enable future commercial use, such as reallocating the 3.45–3.55 GHz band on a co-primary basis for non-federal fixed and mobile (except aeronautical mobile) services, rules for limited future federal incumbent use of the band, and licensing, operating, and technical rules for commercial operations. Along with the upcoming December C-band auction of 280 megahertz of mid-band spectrum for 5G and the recently completed auction of 70 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the 3.5 GHz band, this new proposal would put the Commission on track to have a 530-megahertz swath (from 3.45 to 3.98 GHz) of mid-band spectrum available for 5G. That’s <https://www.fcc.gov/5G> 5G FAST, to coin a phrase. Dave David R. Siddall Managing Partner DS Law, PLLC 1629 K St. NW, Ste 300 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1629+K+St.+NW,+Ste+300+%0D%0A+Washington,+DC+20006?entry=gmail&source=g> Washington, DC 20006 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1629+K+St.+NW,+Ste+300+%0D%0A+Washington,+DC+20006?entry=gmail&source=g> direct: +1 202 559 4690 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1629+K+St.+NW,+Ste+300+%0D%0A+Washington,+DC+20006?entry=gmail&source=g> <image001.gif> Unauthorized Disclosure Prohibited. 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