Dave, Making a statement about Challenge Credits is fine, but would this deter folks from fighting to become numero uno with a 60 M DXCC? In other words, should the statement relate to all 60 M Qs regarding the DX program and not just the Challenge? Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.org> k8je@arrl.org; Tel.: 513-459-0142 ARRL - The Reason Amateur Radio Is! Members - The Reason ARRL Is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:00 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15396] RE: [arrl-odv:15393] RE: [arrl-odv:15390] [Fwd: 60M DX] It might be useful to emphasize that Challenge credit will only be given for QSOs dated after an international allocation is made. That's a policy decision but it's a fairly obvious one. Dave K1ZZ _____ From: Jim Weaver [mailto:k8je@arrl.org] Sent: Fri 4/6/2007 10:37 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:15393] RE: [arrl-odv:15390] [Fwd: 60M DX] Dave, Tnx for the discussion. It is helpful, of course. Coy pointed out I misread Ken's recommendation. In rereading it, it is obvious I over interpreted his comment on "never" issuing credits for 60M Qs. Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.org> k8je@arrl.org; Tel.: 513-459-0142 ARRL - The Reason Amateur Radio Is! Members - The Reason ARRL Is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 4:38 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15393] RE: [arrl-odv:15390] [Fwd: 60M DX] Jim, we have never accepted 60 meter QSOs for contest credit. I can't imagine that we ever would, given that we don't for 30, 17 and 12 meters, and I don't think it's an issue in anyone's mind. It has been pretty much a moot point to now with regard to DXCC, but N8S had the potential to change that. The caution we put out seems to have been pretty well received. The rules already prohibit 60-meter QSOs for the Challenge. I'm sure there are people collecting countries on 60 meters. It's human nature. However, the DXCC program, being international, should not grant DXCC Challenge credit for 60 meter QSOs until such time as there is an international allocation. There is no prohibition on basic DXCC credit -- that is, credit toward mixed or phone DXCC on the basis of a legal 60-meter QSO -- nor does there need to be since few people will work a country on 60 meters that they don't already have on another band. Worked All States is another matter. We have already had an inquiry as to whether we would issue a 60-meter WAS. I have asked Dave Patton to refer it to P&SC. There are pros and cons, but WAS is unlikely to get out of hand the way chasing countries would. It would be more likely to evolve into a controlled net like the various 75-meter WAS nets that have existed. 73, Dave K1ZZ _____ From: Jim Weaver [mailto:k8je@arrl.org] Sent: Fri 4/6/2007 8:52 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:15390] [Fwd: 60M DX] I, too, received a forward of the 60M proposal from one of my members. I believe there is merit in the basic reco. I think he goes overboard in wanting a firm statement that we will NEVER accept 60 M QSOs for awards/contests, but this is a detail that could be worked. A simple statement that 60M QSOs do not count for DXCC and contests should be enough. Assuming we are successful at getting a true 60M "band" in the future, this position could be reviewed. Not being on 60, I've not paid much attention to the band. Have we accepted Qs for DXCC and contest credit in the past? If we have, we would need to figure out how to handle these. Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je@arrl.org; Tel.: 513-459-0142 ARRL - The Reason Amateur Radio Is! Members - The Reason ARRL Is! -----Original Message----- From: Coy Day [mailto:n5ok@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:05 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15390] [Fwd: 60M DX] Hi Folks, Thought I would forward Ken's note as I had the same feelings when Dave put out the caution on 60 meters earlier in the week. I'm afraid that if we don't take action we may lose a very valuable band for EmComm. Coy -- Coy Day, N5OK 20685 SW 29 Union City, OK 73090 405-483-5632 ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: 60M DX From: "Ken - K5KC" <k5kc@suddenlink.net> Date: Fri, April 6, 2007 09:50 To: n5ok@arrl.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Coy, I'm actually writing on "business" (hi)!! I've read at least two warnings / concerns from ARRL about DXing on 60M. It all makes perfect sense - and I agree with it - BUT, the request (in my opinion) is without teeth, will likely influence only minor behavior changes, and has the potential to REALLY upset some DXers. Let me explain and make a suggestion. First, the suggestion: ARRL should decree right away that 60M is NOT a DX band and, as such, QSOs made will NOT now or in the future count toward the Challenge or 60M DXCC or anything else from ARRL. IF AND WHEN THIS CHANGES, ARRL will notify us all that only as of some future date will QSOs count toward the ARRL DX program. Now, the explanation. You have surely noticed that a few heavyweight DXers have begun to show up in the spots on 60. And, of course, there are many DX commoners also chasing DX there. THEY ARE COVERING THEIR TAILS so they are not behind if and when 60M is added to the Challenge list. I cannot blame them. If left alone, they will continue to (carefully) chase DX and rack up the countries. Suppose some ham DOES take ARRL's request seriously and does NOT use 60M for DXing. They are going to be madder than $%^&* if ARRL later does allow DX QSOs being made now to count. If that were to happen, I could not blame them for being mad. Since I am writing to you in your capacity as a BoD member, feel free to send this input along to whomever - if you think it represents a rational line of thought. 73 Ken K5KC