[arrl-odv:27473] Re: Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown
At 01:13 AM 8/15/2018, Richard J. Norton wrote:
Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information?
Do we have any idea what it actually costs NIST (you and me) to operate WWV/WWVH? Would a private group be able to fund and operate it (and get permission to use the specified frequencies?) Any idea who actually uses WWV beside hams? (who can we get to join us in any request to keep WWV going?) -- Tom PS: Back to ARRL history, the OO program started in 1926 consisted of Official Wavelength Stations (OWLs). See January 1926 QST. http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/8243 Their job was to provide signals on specific wavelengths so other hams could use their wavemeters to tune their transmitters to transmit on specific frequencies. This was the time period when QST articles on how to use crystal control were being published... :-) ===== e-mail: k1ki@arrl.org ARRL New England Division Director http://www.arrl.org/ Tom Frenaye, K1KI, P O Box J, West Suffield CT 06093 Phone: 860-668-5444
All of the wall clocks in my house use WWVB. It's not just a Ham thing.... I wouldn't be surprised if many thousands of consumer/industrial devices use WWV/B for timing; including industrial chart recorders. -----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Tom Frenaye Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:53 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:27473] Re: Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown At 01:13 AM 8/15/2018, Richard J. Norton wrote:
Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information?
Do we have any idea what it actually costs NIST (you and me) to operate WWV/WWVH? Would a private group be able to fund and operate it (and get permission to use the specified frequencies?) Any idea who actually uses WWV beside hams? (who can we get to join us in any request to keep WWV going?) -- Tom PS: Back to ARRL history, the OO program started in 1926 consisted of Official Wavelength Stations (OWLs). See January 1926 QST. http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/8243 Their job was to provide signals on specific wavelengths so other hams could use their wavemeters to tune their transmitters to transmit on specific frequencies. This was the time period when QST articles on how to use crystal control were being published... :-) ===== e-mail: k1ki@arrl.org ARRL New England Division Director http://www.arrl.org/ Tom Frenaye, K1KI, P O Box J, West Suffield CT 06093 Phone: 860-668-5444 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Jeff has the handle on the biggest reason of all not to stop WWVB, at least, if not WWV. Tens if not hundreds of thousands (or more?) of so-called “atomic clocks” are all over the country. If WWVB goes silent, and these clocks stop, there will surely be a tremendous backlash to the government. I’ve been wondering if NIST was using an old agency trick of appearing to slash the budget for a highly popular item in order to induce stakeholder backlash. No matter, there is clearly sufficient reason to protect WWVB, and having Frank check the status is the obvious next step. 73, Greg, K0GW On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, Jeff Ryan <k0rm@comcast.net> wrote:
All of the wall clocks in my house use WWVB. It's not just a Ham thing.... I wouldn't be surprised if many thousands of consumer/industrial devices use WWV/B for timing; including industrial chart recorders.
-----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Tom Frenaye Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:53 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:27473] Re: Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown
At 01:13 AM 8/15/2018, Richard J. Norton wrote:
Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information?
Do we have any idea what it actually costs NIST (you and me) to operate WWV/WWVH? Would a private group be able to fund and operate it (and get permission to use the specified frequencies?) Any idea who actually uses WWV beside hams? (who can we get to join us in any request to keep WWV going?)
-- Tom
PS: Back to ARRL history, the OO program started in 1926 consisted of Official Wavelength Stations (OWLs). See January 1926 QST.
http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/8243
Their job was to provide signals on specific wavelengths so other hams could use their wavemeters to tune their transmitters to transmit on specific frequencies. This was the time period when QST articles on how to use crystal control were being published... :-)
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Well, if that is the case, why is ARRL not one of a whole lot of other groups sounding a loud alarm here? Still waiting for info on timeliness...... Chris On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 4:12 PM, G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Jeff has the handle on the biggest reason of all not to stop WWVB, at least, if not WWV. Tens if not hundreds of thousands (or more?) of so-called “atomic clocks” are all over the country. If WWVB goes silent, and these clocks stop, there will surely be a tremendous backlash to the government.
I’ve been wondering if NIST was using an old agency trick of appearing to slash the budget for a highly popular item in order to induce stakeholder backlash. No matter, there is clearly sufficient reason to protect WWVB, and having Frank check the status is the obvious next step. 73, Greg, K0GW
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, Jeff Ryan <k0rm@comcast.net> wrote:
All of the wall clocks in my house use WWVB. It's not just a Ham thing.... I wouldn't be surprised if many thousands of consumer/industrial devices use WWV/B for timing; including industrial chart recorders.
-----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Tom Frenaye Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:53 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:27473] Re: Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown
At 01:13 AM 8/15/2018, Richard J. Norton wrote:
Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information?
Do we have any idea what it actually costs NIST (you and me) to operate WWV/WWVH? Would a private group be able to fund and operate it (and get permission to use the specified frequencies?) Any idea who actually uses WWV beside hams? (who can we get to join us in any request to keep WWV going?)
-- Tom
PS: Back to ARRL history, the OO program started in 1926 consisted of Official Wavelength Stations (OWLs). See January 1926 QST.
http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/8243
Their job was to provide signals on specific wavelengths so other hams could use their wavemeters to tune their transmitters to transmit on specific frequencies. This was the time period when QST articles on how to use crystal control were being published... :-)
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I did not see any reference to discontinuing WWVB VLF transmissions. I think they know the ramifications of doing that. 73, Dale WA8EFK On 8/15/2018 4:43 PM, Christopher Imlay wrote:
Well, if that is the case, why is ARRL not one of a whole lot of other groups sounding a loud alarm here?
Still waiting for info on timeliness......
Chris
On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 4:12 PM, G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net <mailto:gpwidin@comcast.net>> wrote:
Jeff has the handle on the biggest reason of all not to stop WWVB, at least, if not WWV. Tens if not hundreds of thousands (or more?) of so-called “atomic clocks” are all over the country. If WWVB goes silent, and these clocks stop, there will surely be a tremendous backlash to the government.
I’ve been wondering if NIST was using an old agency trick of appearing to slash the budget for a highly popular item in order to induce stakeholder backlash. No matter, there is clearly sufficient reason to protect WWVB, and having Frank check the status is the obvious next step. 73, Greg, K0GW
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, Jeff Ryan <k0rm@comcast.net <mailto:k0rm@comcast.net>> wrote:
All of the wall clocks in my house use WWVB. It's not just a Ham thing.... I wouldn't be surprised if many thousands of consumer/industrial devices use WWV/B for timing; including industrial chart recorders.
-----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>] On Behalf Of Tom Frenaye Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:53 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:27473] Re: Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown
At 01:13 AM 8/15/2018, Richard J. Norton wrote: >Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information?
Do we have any idea what it actually costs NIST (you and me) to operate WWV/WWVH? Would a private group be able to fund and operate it (and get permission to use the specified frequencies?) Any idea who actually uses WWV beside hams? (who can we get to join us in any request to keep WWV going?)
-- Tom
PS: Back to ARRL history, the OO program started in 1926 consisted of Official Wavelength Stations (OWLs). See January 1926 QST.
http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/8243 <http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/8243>
Their job was to provide signals on specific wavelengths so other hams could use their wavemeters to tune their transmitters to transmit on specific frequencies. This was the time period when QST articles on how to use crystal control were being published... :-)
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