[arrl-odv:31912] FW: ARRL Board of Directors to Reconsider the Use of Electronic Balloting
Thought y'all might like to see this. WC1M is a serious person. -Fred K1VR From: wc1m73@gmail.com [mailto:wc1m73@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:46 PM To: k1vr@arrl.org Subject: ARRL Board of Directors to Reconsider the Use of Electronic Balloting ARRL Board of Directors to Reconsider the Use of Electronic Balloting <http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-board-of-directors-to-reconsider-the-use-of-e lectronic-balloting> Hi Fred, Hmmm. Are you involved in this? I spent 10 years as an investor and Director of a startup I co-founded to do Internet Voting (not just organizational voting but the real deal - government elections, which we actually did in the U.K.) It's a long, long story. Of course, the company failed. Given the recent election, I'm sort of glad it did. No doubt, the conspiracy theorists would have been all over us. I believed deeply in the crypto we invented to do secure elections, and still do, but I'm quite skeptical about the systems used by companies that support electronic voting (as well as so-called electronic voting pioneers like Estonia.) Speaking as the guy who designed the crypto security for LoTW, the process for which has been hated by many amateurs, it takes a lot to make a cyrpto systems secure. If the Board decides to do this, the security algorithms and protocols offered by the vendor need to be vetted by experts. 73, Dick WC1M -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Other large membership organizations such as IEEE have electronic voting. We should, too. There are established, secure solutions out there, but there will always be some who will accuse us of fraud. We shouldn't repeat what we did last time - email a word doc back (which is just odd). And any solution should be overseen by CohnReznick or similar auditing firm. Ahoy, full speed ahead. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 10:00 PM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
Thought y’all might like to see this. WC1M is a serious person.
-Fred K1VR
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Hi Fred,
Hmmm. Are you involved in this?
I spent 10 years as an investor and Director of a startup I co-founded to do Internet Voting (not just organizational voting but the real deal – government elections, which we actually did in the U.K.) It’s a long, long story. Of course, the company failed. Given the recent election, I’m sort of glad it did. No doubt, the conspiracy theorists would have been all over us.
I believed deeply in the crypto we invented to do secure elections, and still do, but I’m quite skeptical about the systems used by companies that support electronic voting (as well as so-called electronic voting pioneers like Estonia.)
Speaking as the guy who designed the crypto security for LoTW, the process for which has been hated by many amateurs, it takes a lot to make a cyrpto systems secure.
If the Board decides to do this, the security algorithms and protocols offered by the vendor need to be vetted by experts.
73, Dick WC1M
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The security world has certainly changed since 2001. Everyday, we all take some level of risk, by using a credit card, clicking on a link, or following our GPS map. The mechanisms to intrude in these decisions have grown exponentially more sophisticated and effective. Yet, few of us avoid this behavior. Why? Because we place trust in the providers of the services. We recognize and have experience with them on a daily basis. We lost trust in membership in 2015 in that debacle where we tried to have users print ballots. ARRL had never done this before and turnout was a fraction of the voters before and since. We won’t repeat that mistake. We simply need to find a provider that members can trust. As Ria pointed out, there are service companies that conduct elections for nonprofit membership corporations, as well as companies whose stock is publicly held. I suggest that we ask staff to compile a list of the companies that handle elections and ballots electronically or hybrid paper/electronically that might be interested in our business. I don’t know if there are five or fifty such firms, but I believe we can find one the membership can trust. 73, Mickey N4MB Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 10:00:18 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31912] FW: ARRL Board of Directors to Reconsider the Use of Electronic Balloting Thought y’all might like to see this. WC1M is a serious person. -Fred K1VR From: wc1m73@gmail.com [mailto:wc1m73@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:46 PM To: k1vr@arrl.org Subject: ARRL Board of Directors to Reconsider the Use of Electronic Balloting ARRL Board of Directors to Reconsider the Use of Electronic Balloting<http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-board-of-directors-to-reconsider-the-use-of-electronic-balloting> Hi Fred, Hmmm. Are you involved in this? I spent 10 years as an investor and Director of a startup I co-founded to do Internet Voting (not just organizational voting but the real deal – government elections, which we actually did in the U.K.) It’s a long, long story. Of course, the company failed. Given the recent election, I’m sort of glad it did. No doubt, the conspiracy theorists would have been all over us. I believed deeply in the crypto we invented to do secure elections, and still do, but I’m quite skeptical about the systems used by companies that support electronic voting (as well as so-called electronic voting pioneers like Estonia.) Speaking as the guy who designed the crypto security for LoTW, the process for which has been hated by many amateurs, it takes a lot to make a cyrpto systems secure. If the Board decides to do this, the security algorithms and protocols offered by the vendor need to be vetted by experts. 73, Dick WC1M [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link>
I just voted for the officers in our state snowmobile association. On line. It was some sort of embedded survey question set on the website and tied to the login information. I tried to re-vote just to see if I could and tried on three browsers, on two networks, and on my phone and every time came back "you have already participated in this survey" I don't think this is that hard. I'll hook HQ up with WSSA if needed. We do still need to maintain a paper option. Mark, HDX On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 7:00 PM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
Thought y’all might like to see this. WC1M is a serious person.
-Fred K1VR
*From:* wc1m73@gmail.com [mailto:wc1m73@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:46 PM *To:* k1vr@arrl.org *Subject:* ARRL Board of Directors to Reconsider the Use of Electronic Balloting
ARRL Board of Directors to Reconsider the Use of Electronic Balloting <http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-board-of-directors-to-reconsider-the-use-of-electronic-balloting>
Hi Fred,
Hmmm. Are you involved in this?
I spent 10 years as an investor and Director of a startup I co-founded to do Internet Voting (not just organizational voting but the real deal – government elections, which we actually did in the U.K.) It’s a long, long story. Of course, the company failed. Given the recent election, I’m sort of glad it did. No doubt, the conspiracy theorists would have been all over us.
I believed deeply in the crypto we invented to do secure elections, and still do, but I’m quite skeptical about the systems used by companies that support electronic voting (as well as so-called electronic voting pioneers like Estonia.)
Speaking as the guy who designed the crypto security for LoTW, the process for which has been hated by many amateurs, it takes a lot to make a cyrpto systems secure.
If the Board decides to do this, the security algorithms and protocols offered by the vendor need to be vetted by experts.
73, Dick WC1M
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