[arrl-odv:23181] CAI HR 4969 Opposition - 5 Million Dollars
Last night I gave a talk on ARRL happenings to a San Diego area radio club. One of the major topics covered was HR 4969. A major opponent of HR 4969 is CAI, the Community Associations Institute. One of the radio club officers commented that he was president-elect of the San Diego CAI group, and that CAI has already committed $5 million to be used to defeat HR 4969. As an indication of the size of this opposition, he also commented that there were approximately 7,000 home owner associations in San Diego County, and 14,000 HOA's in Orange County. His involvement with CAI is connected to his property management business. He does not live in an HOA area himself, and has a tower and beam in his yard. He talked about trying to convince other CAI people that hams are good and antennas should be allowed, but reported essentially unanimous CAI opposition. You can see some of CAI's response to HR 4969 here: http://www.caionline.org/govt/news/Pages/default.aspx There are automated aids for their effort shown in: http://www.caiclac.com/News/16678~273885 My comments were that I still regard our effort as one with a very low probability of success, but if you don't try, probability of success is zero. As an aside, if I were to meet with with legislators or staff, I would certainly like to have descriptive copies of Amateur Radio's contributions, such as the *Report to America, *to leave behind. Is there any evidence of forward motion on this project? 73, Dick Norton, N6AA
CAI’s leave behind can be found here: http://www.caionline.org/govt/Documents/CAI_FedAdvocacy.pdf. HR4969 is addressed at the end. Setting aside the false rhetoric, it is a very well designed piece and the type of document that we should already have in hand. While I realize that it takes time to produce such a professional document, we need to get something out NOW beyond a simple B&W text 8.5”x11”. It should include specific rebuttal to the CAI misinformation. We have some of the most talented people working in the publishing industry within our staff. Surely we can come up with something quickly to fill the gap between now and whenever Report to America is completed. 73, Doug K4AC From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Richard J Norton Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:43 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:23181] CAI HR 4969 Opposition - 5 Million Dollars Last night I gave a talk on ARRL happenings to a San Diego area radio club. One of the major topics covered was HR 4969. A major opponent of HR 4969 is CAI, the Community Associations Institute. One of the radio club officers commented that he was president-elect of the San Diego CAI group, and that CAI has already committed $5 million to be used to defeat HR 4969. As an indication of the size of this opposition, he also commented that there were approximately 7,000 home owner associations in San Diego County, and 14,000 HOA's in Orange County. His involvement with CAI is connected to his property management business. He does not live in an HOA area himself, and has a tower and beam in his yard. He talked about trying to convince other CAI people that hams are good and antennas should be allowed, but reported essentially unanimous CAI opposition. You can see some of CAI's response to HR 4969 here: http://www.caionline.org/govt/news/Pages/default.aspx There are automated aids for their effort shown in: http://www.caiclac.com/News/16678~273885 My comments were that I still regard our effort as one with a very low probability of success, but if you don't try, probability of success is zero. As an aside, if I were to meet with with legislators or staff, I would certainly like to have descriptive copies of Amateur Radio's contributions, such as the Report to America, to leave behind. Is there any evidence of forward motion on this project? 73, Dick Norton, N6AA
Doug, right now the staff is laboring mightily to get October QST out the door in time to meet a looming press deadline. Once that’s done we’ll see what we can do. Dave From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Rehman, Doug, K4AC Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:14 PM To: Norton, Richard, N6AA; arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:23183] Re: CAI HR 4969 Opposition - 5 Million Dollars CAI’s leave behind can be found here: http://www.caionline.org/govt/Documents/CAI_FedAdvocacy.pdf. HR4969 is addressed at the end. Setting aside the false rhetoric, it is a very well designed piece and the type of document that we should already have in hand. While I realize that it takes time to produce such a professional document, we need to get something out NOW beyond a simple B&W text 8.5”x11”. It should include specific rebuttal to the CAI misinformation. We have some of the most talented people working in the publishing industry within our staff. Surely we can come up with something quickly to fill the gap between now and whenever Report to America is completed. 73, Doug K4AC From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Richard J Norton Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:43 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:23181] CAI HR 4969 Opposition - 5 Million Dollars Last night I gave a talk on ARRL happenings to a San Diego area radio club. One of the major topics covered was HR 4969. A major opponent of HR 4969 is CAI, the Community Associations Institute. One of the radio club officers commented that he was president-elect of the San Diego CAI group, and that CAI has already committed $5 million to be used to defeat HR 4969. As an indication of the size of this opposition, he also commented that there were approximately 7,000 home owner associations in San Diego County, and 14,000 HOA's in Orange County. His involvement with CAI is connected to his property management business. He does not live in an HOA area himself, and has a tower and beam in his yard. He talked about trying to convince other CAI people that hams are good and antennas should be allowed, but reported essentially unanimous CAI opposition. You can see some of CAI's response to HR 4969 here: http://www.caionline.org/govt/news/Pages/default.aspx There are automated aids for their effort shown in: http://www.caiclac.com/News/16678~273885 My comments were that I still regard our effort as one with a very low probability of success, but if you don't try, probability of success is zero. As an aside, if I were to meet with with legislators or staff, I would certainly like to have descriptive copies of Amateur Radio's contributions, such as the Report to America, to leave behind. Is there any evidence of forward motion on this project? 73, Dick Norton, N6AA
Thank you Dave—I’m certain that they will be able to far exceed our expectations (as always!). 73, Doug K4AC From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:20 PM To: Rehman, Doug, K4AC; Norton, Richard, N6AA; arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:23183] Re: CAI HR 4969 Opposition - 5 Million Dollars Doug, right now the staff is laboring mightily to get October QST out the door in time to meet a looming press deadline. Once that’s done we’ll see what we can do. Dave From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Rehman, Doug, K4AC Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:14 PM To: Norton, Richard, N6AA; arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:23183] Re: CAI HR 4969 Opposition - 5 Million Dollars CAI’s leave behind can be found here: http://www.caionline.org/govt/Documents/CAI_FedAdvocacy.pdf. HR4969 is addressed at the end. Setting aside the false rhetoric, it is a very well designed piece and the type of document that we should already have in hand. While I realize that it takes time to produce such a professional document, we need to get something out NOW beyond a simple B&W text 8.5”x11”. It should include specific rebuttal to the CAI misinformation. We have some of the most talented people working in the publishing industry within our staff. Surely we can come up with something quickly to fill the gap between now and whenever Report to America is completed. 73, Doug K4AC From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Richard J Norton Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:43 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:23181] CAI HR 4969 Opposition - 5 Million Dollars Last night I gave a talk on ARRL happenings to a San Diego area radio club. One of the major topics covered was HR 4969. A major opponent of HR 4969 is CAI, the Community Associations Institute. One of the radio club officers commented that he was president-elect of the San Diego CAI group, and that CAI has already committed $5 million to be used to defeat HR 4969. As an indication of the size of this opposition, he also commented that there were approximately 7,000 home owner associations in San Diego County, and 14,000 HOA's in Orange County. His involvement with CAI is connected to his property management business. He does not live in an HOA area himself, and has a tower and beam in his yard. He talked about trying to convince other CAI people that hams are good and antennas should be allowed, but reported essentially unanimous CAI opposition. You can see some of CAI's response to HR 4969 here: http://www.caionline.org/govt/news/Pages/default.aspx There are automated aids for their effort shown in: http://www.caiclac.com/News/16678~273885 My comments were that I still regard our effort as one with a very low probability of success, but if you don't try, probability of success is zero. As an aside, if I were to meet with with legislators or staff, I would certainly like to have descriptive copies of Amateur Radio's contributions, such as the Report to America, to leave behind. Is there any evidence of forward motion on this project? 73, Dick Norton, N6AA
CAI may be talking a great game on their web site but we have ZERO evidence that they have visited any congressional office other than Kinzinger's where the ham on his staff shot them down. I had three more Congressional visits today and there isn't any CAI presence or any visible opposition at all. My suggestion is that spending one rebutting CAI's misinformation is not the right tactic at all. Sending a positive message about what we do is a far better one. And it is working. Chris Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Doug Rehman <doug@k4ac.com> wrote:
CAI’s leave behind can be found here: http://www.caionline.org/govt/Documents/CAI_FedAdvocacy.pdf. HR4969 is addressed at the end. Setting aside the false rhetoric, it is a very well designed piece and the type of document that we should already have in hand.
While I realize that it takes time to produce such a professional document, we need to get something out NOW beyond a simple B&W text 8.5”x11”. It should include specific rebuttal to the CAI misinformation.
We have some of the most talented people working in the publishing industry within our staff. Surely we can come up with something quickly to fill the gap between now and whenever Report to America is completed.
73, Doug K4AC
From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Richard J Norton Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:43 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:23181] CAI HR 4969 Opposition - 5 Million Dollars
Last night I gave a talk on ARRL happenings to a San Diego area radio club. One of the major topics covered was HR 4969.
A major opponent of HR 4969 is CAI, the Community Associations Institute.
One of the radio club officers commented that he was president-elect of the San Diego CAI group, and that CAI has already committed $5 million to be used to defeat HR 4969. As an indication of the size of this opposition, he also commented that there were approximately 7,000 home owner associations in San Diego County, and 14,000 HOA's in Orange County.
His involvement with CAI is connected to his property management business. He does not live in an HOA area himself, and has a tower and beam in his yard. He talked about trying to convince other CAI people that hams are good and antennas should be allowed, but reported essentially unanimous CAI opposition.
You can see some of CAI's response to HR 4969 here:
http://www.caionline.org/govt/news/Pages/default.aspx
There are automated aids for their effort shown in:
http://www.caiclac.com/News/16678~273885
My comments were that I still regard our effort as one with a very low probability of success, but if you don't try, probability of success is zero.
As an aside, if I were to meet with with legislators or staff, I would certainly like to have descriptive copies of Amateur Radio's contributions, such as the Report to America, to leave behind. Is there any evidence of forward motion on this project?
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA
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Chris's experience is the same as mine, and while the information that Dick passed along is good to know, it does not discourage me. All the same, having that persuasive, eye-catching document will be helpful in many contexts. 73, Kay
It should come at no surprise that CAI has come out against HR4969 with guns blazing. I too agree with Chris and Kay. In all my discussions with legislators and/or their staffs, I have made it clear that we are looking to work with the HOA as we define reasonable accommodation. The positive approach has yielded positive results. I also agree that we have seen no evidence of CAI presence in the halls as we move about gaining support. If anything, their intractable position underscores our argument that we need reasonable accommodation (how can one be against reason?) and that the HOA is only interested in aesthetics. 73 de Mike N2YBB Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Kay Craigie <n3kn@verizon.net> wrote:
Chris's experience is the same as mine, and while the information that Dick passed along is good to know, it does not discourage me. All the same, having that persuasive, eye-catching document will be helpful in many contexts. 73, Kay _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Two other arguments seem to work: (1) CAI misperceives the scope of the Bill: they claim that the Bill removes HOA jurisdiction; it clearly does NOT do that. (2) FCC's stated policy dating back to 1999 is that it "strongly encourages" HOAs to apply the "no preclusion, reasonable accommodation, least practicable regulation" test to private land use regulations. Of course, they don't do that which is why we need the legislation. But stating FCC's express policy combined with the accurate statement that FCC is looking for guidance from Congress works fine to rebut CAI's opposition. 73, Chris W3KD On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Mike Lisenco N2YBB <n2ybb@arrl.org> wrote:
It should come at no surprise that CAI has come out against HR4969 with guns blazing. I too agree with Chris and Kay. In all my discussions with legislators and/or their staffs, I have made it clear that we are looking to work with the HOA as we define reasonable accommodation. The positive approach has yielded positive results. I also agree that we have seen no evidence of CAI presence in the halls as we move about gaining support.
If anything, their intractable position underscores our argument that we need reasonable accommodation (how can one be against reason?) and that the HOA is only interested in aesthetics.
73 de Mike N2YBB
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On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Kay Craigie <n3kn@verizon.net> wrote:
Chris's experience is the same as mine, and while the information that Dick passed along is good to know, it does not discourage me. All the same, having that persuasive, eye-catching document will be helpful in many contexts. 73, Kay _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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