[arrl-odv:28805] Technician Enhancement RM Impact On ARPA
Dear Fellow ODV Members: I am concerned that we could have at anytime soon 370,000+ new operators with HF privileges, and we should expect many of them will want HF antennas. I checked with Dan Henderson, and the Technician Enhancement petition (RM-11828) could be voted upon almost anytime. We have approximately 25,000 ARRL members who are Technician Class licensees. It would be fair to say that a higher proportion of Technician Class holders live in HOA restricted housing than Generals and Extras. Are we ready for a new group of members who will be asking for antenna relief? The Technician Enhancement privileges could be a boost to pursuit of HOA antenna relief. Many Technicians are avidly involved with public service and emergency communications. According to Steve Ewald, WV1X, 87% of HF ARES nets take place between 3.9 and 4.0 MHZ, a segment proposed for Technician Enhancement access. Overnight, thousands of licensed Amateurs could augment the volunteer EmCOMM community on a regional and national basis. I would like to believe our government and NGO partners would be supportive of an instant increase in licensed and, in many cases, ICS credentialed volunteer communicators. 73 de Bill Morine, N2COP Vice Director – Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia www.arrl-roanoke.org Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division ARRL – The National Association for Amateur Radio™ -----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Bud Hippisley Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 6:04 PM To: rjairam@gmail.com Cc: Mike Raisbeck <mraisbeck@verizon.net>; N6VI <n6vi@earthlink.net>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; leg-ad-com@reflector.arrl.org; Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Subject: [arrl-odv:28803] Re: ECA of 2020 vFH2 Ria — In addition to Fred’s comments: Keep in mind that in many (most? all?) zoned communities, residents in HOA-controlled areas must ALSO abide by city, town, or county zoning rules. When my wife and I were searching for a suitable retirement location a few years back, I wound up reviewing the zoning ordinances of at least 100 towns (in the northeast) and counties (in the south). Most had a structure limit of 35 feet — some a little less, some a little more. Typically, there was either of two reasons for that: a. The municipality had copied its ordinance from that of some other community, without really understanding why all the limits were there. b. In a minority of municipalities, the zoning official knew that the 35-foot limit was based on what the town or county zoning office understood the limitation of commonly available fire department ladder trucks to be. But that limit is generally intended with respect to HABITABLE portions of a structure from which humans or pets might need to be extracted. Of course, those folks who wanted short or invisible antenna supports for esthetic reasons quickly hung their hats on the 35-foot limit. Luckily, there are still a few “enlightened” communities that have exempted amateur radio antennas and supports outright, or made them an easy permit-process exception to the 35-foot limit. Many of the ordinances I reviewed during my search limited the roof ridgeline to 35 feet but allowed small uninhabitable “appurtenances” (chimneys, vent pipes, OTARD dishes, etc.) a few feet above that, so 38 feet is reasonably consistent with the rules in many of those towns. And in the dark humor department: There are areas of the country where additional layers of zoning exist — the Adirondack Park of upstate NY being one. A few miles from my last QTH a local business owner had to tear down his million-dollar waterfront mansion because he failed to realize that while both the Town’s and the Adirondack Park Agency’s structural height limits were 40 feet, they were measured differently. He went to court. The APA won. What’s the name of that pop music song? “I fought the APA and the APA won”? Bud, W2RU
On Sep 21, 2019, at 8:11 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Fred,
I like a lot of it but what is the reason for 38 feet height of a flagpole? A very common height for a vertical is 43 feet which is 5 feet taller. Just wondering where 38ft came from.
Ria N2RJ
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I cannot think of a better reason to have dumped the fatally flawed ARPA which most likely would not have allowed much of anything new for HOA dwellers, and in fact reduced their rights in some significant ways. The public service angle, of course, is always a good starter and we had those references in the last attempt. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF -----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of n2cop@ec.rr.com Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 1:09 PM To: 'Bud Hippisley' <bud@w2ru.net>; rjairam@gmail.com Cc: 'Mike Raisbeck' <mraisbeck@verizon.net>; leg-ad-com@reflector.arrl.org; 'arrl-odv' <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; 'N6VI' <n6vi@earthlink.net>; 'Fred Hopengarten' <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Subject: [arrl-odv:28805] Technician Enhancement RM Impact On ARPA Dear Fellow ODV Members: I am concerned that we could have at anytime soon 370,000+ new operators with HF privileges, and we should expect many of them will want HF antennas. I checked with Dan Henderson, and the Technician Enhancement petition (RM-11828) could be voted upon almost anytime. We have approximately 25,000 ARRL members who are Technician Class licensees. It would be fair to say that a higher proportion of Technician Class holders live in HOA restricted housing than Generals and Extras. Are we ready for a new group of members who will be asking for antenna relief? The Technician Enhancement privileges could be a boost to pursuit of HOA antenna relief. Many Technicians are avidly involved with public service and emergency communications. According to Steve Ewald, WV1X, 87% of HF ARES nets take place between 3.9 and 4.0 MHZ, a segment proposed for Technician Enhancement access. Overnight, thousands of licensed Amateurs could augment the volunteer EmCOMM community on a regional and national basis. I would like to believe our government and NGO partners would be supportive of an instant increase in licensed and, in many cases, ICS credentialed volunteer communicators. 73 de Bill Morine, N2COP Vice Director – Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia www.arrl-roanoke.org Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division ARRL – The National Association for Amateur Radio™ -----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Bud Hippisley Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 6:04 PM To: rjairam@gmail.com Cc: Mike Raisbeck <mraisbeck@verizon.net>; N6VI <n6vi@earthlink.net>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; leg-ad-com@reflector.arrl.org; Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Subject: [arrl-odv:28803] Re: ECA of 2020 vFH2 Ria — In addition to Fred’s comments: Keep in mind that in many (most? all?) zoned communities, residents in HOA-controlled areas must ALSO abide by city, town, or county zoning rules. When my wife and I were searching for a suitable retirement location a few years back, I wound up reviewing the zoning ordinances of at least 100 towns (in the northeast) and counties (in the south). Most had a structure limit of 35 feet — some a little less, some a little more. Typically, there was either of two reasons for that: a. The municipality had copied its ordinance from that of some other community, without really understanding why all the limits were there. b. In a minority of municipalities, the zoning official knew that the 35-foot limit was based on what the town or county zoning office understood the limitation of commonly available fire department ladder trucks to be. But that limit is generally intended with respect to HABITABLE portions of a structure from which humans or pets might need to be extracted. Of course, those folks who wanted short or invisible antenna supports for esthetic reasons quickly hung their hats on the 35-foot limit. Luckily, there are still a few “enlightened” communities that have exempted amateur radio antennas and supports outright, or made them an easy permit-process exception to the 35-foot limit. Many of the ordinances I reviewed during my search limited the roof ridgeline to 35 feet but allowed small uninhabitable “appurtenances” (chimneys, vent pipes, OTARD dishes, etc.) a few feet above that, so 38 feet is reasonably consistent with the rules in many of those towns. And in the dark humor department: There are areas of the country where additional layers of zoning exist — the Adirondack Park of upstate NY being one. A few miles from my last QTH a local business owner had to tear down his million-dollar waterfront mansion because he failed to realize that while both the Town’s and the Adirondack Park Agency’s structural height limits were 40 feet, they were measured differently. He went to court. The APA won. What’s the name of that pop music song? “I fought the APA and the APA won”? Bud, W2RU
On Sep 21, 2019, at 8:11 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Fred,
I like a lot of it but what is the reason for 38 feet height of a flagpole? A very common height for a vertical is 43 feet which is 5 feet taller. Just wondering where 38ft came from.
Ria N2RJ
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