Former ISP owner here. I would add that Yahoo is one of the worst offenders when it comes to flaky email delivery, for both protocol reasons and unknown reasons. I run a mailman list server at home for a few friends and orgs, and it’s a constant battle with Yahoo. I always recommend that people migrate away from them. The only one worse is anything associated with the former PacBell (pacbell.net, sbcglobal.net, etc). Gmail used to accept most anything, but as of about 9 months ago rejects direct email that doesn’t have proper DMARC / DKIM / SPF records<https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/email-security/dmarc-dkim-spf/>. It will pass list server mail (forged by definition), but not with 100% certainty. As Brent says, all of the ISPs and mail services are tightening filters up to discourage and filter spam. Using an email forwarder is a recipe for disappointment at some point. As has been mentioned before, MIT gave up on this years ago and gives alums an O365 account now. ARRL does this for us on the Board. I highly recommend you take advantage of it. On Jun 22, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org> wrote: Dick- You can access the reflector including the archives by using your favorite web browser to navigate to https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv. The reflector has a web interface that organizes all ODV messages by month and year. You may not have known about this wonderful tool. I can speak with a certain level of knowledge working full time in the technology field specializing in cybersecurity. A lot of e-mail providers including the web based (gmail, aol, yahoo) are starting to implement more robust e-mail protections to slow down messages with malicious intent. Glancing at the membership of ODV, it appears several of the members of ODV are not using the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox including yourself. It is highly likely that an e-mail protection in place by yahoo is slowing or denying the messages coming from the email reflector. I am sure David or Diane can have Mr. Berry validate my educated guess. I have been using the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox since joining the board family and haven’t missed the receipt of a single message. I would highly recommend everyone at least subscribe with their arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox. 73, Brent N9BA From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>>, k5ur@aol.com<mailto:k5ur@aol.com> <k5ur@aol.com<mailto:k5ur@aol.com>>, Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com<mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com>>, vze18vwgu@verizon.net<mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net> <vze18vwgu@verizon.net<mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net>>, Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net<mailto:w6rod@comcast.net>>, davek3zj@gmail.com<mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> <davek3zj@gmail.com<mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com>>, Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net<mailto:rbfamiglio@verizon.net>>, carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com<mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com><carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com<mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com>>, Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com<mailto:ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>>, Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com<mailto:david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>>, Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com<mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com>>, Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com<mailto:np4h@aol.com>>, Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com<mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com>>, Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net<mailto:fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>>, w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net><w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>>, McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu<mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu>>, Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com<mailto:jboehner01@yahoo.com>>, Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net<mailto:k0rm@comcast.net>>, fishflorida@gmail.com<mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com> <fishflorida@gmail.com<mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com>>, Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com<mailto:n5aus@n5aus.com>>, David Minster <dminster@gmail.com<mailto:dminster@gmail.com>>, Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org<mailto:dmiddleton@arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure Yesterday, I called an ARRL Director to discuss a recent message I had sent to ODV on the previous day. The other Director had not received it. I had been wondering what was wrong with my own email settings, as I have not been seeing the messages I have posted to ODV. Further investigation has shown that I have not been receiving ODV messages for some time. I have not received 34865, 34878, 34884, 34886, 34887, 34888, 34889, 34890, 34891, 34892, 34893, 34894, 34895, 34, 896, 34897, 34898, 34899, 34900, 34901, 34902, 34903, 34904, 34905, 34906, 34907, 34908, 34909, and any number above 34910. I have not been receiving A&F Committee messages either, as well as mail from other committees. Obviously this is not a problem exclusive to me. Note that one of the messages I sent to ODV recently was about arrl.net<http://arrl.net/> problems. This is likely to be part of the same issue, that was apparently never addressed I believe it is staff's responsibility to provide adequate communication for the Board. They have failed to do so. There is apparently some problem caused by ARRL addresses being designated as spam sources by some ISP's. It is management and staff's obligation to attend to these issues. It is not a Director's responsibility to solve these problems. We have paid staff to do so. However, I suggest using Director's home email addresses for ODV and other email reflectors rather than CALLSIGN@arrl.org<mailto:CALLSIGN@arrl.org>, or anything to do with ARRL.org<http://arrl.org/>. Also, there should be some place on the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> web-site where ODV and other reflector emails are available for view by the Board members. I also hope that some method can be found to rectify the problem and provide those of us who have not seen ODV and committee emails to view them. .73, Dick Norton, N6AA _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -Kristen (K6WX) "Your eyes ... it's a day's work just looking into them" Laurie Anderson (--... ...-- -.. . -.- -.... .-- -..-)