It’s absolutely possible to make page numbering consistent with the printed document. Pages before numbered pages are numbered with Roman numerals (lowercase) and appendices are A-1 etc. Page numbers are stored as tags in the document metadata. https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/PDF17.html If our digital publishing provider can’t do this simple task for us, maybe we need to look at another one? 73 Ria N2RJ On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 2:55 PM David Norris via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Dale is correct.
This is just an idiosyncrasy of a PDF conversion. The page numbers as they appear in the text are correct and do match the TOC as printed. However, the PDF conversion has its own numbering system which includes covers, inserts and title sheets. I deal with this on PDF converted plan sets and contracts all the time. This is trivial and I don’t know an easy way around it. At DOT we aren’t going to waste time or effort on it.
73
David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division
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On Dec 16, 2019, at 12:48 PM, Dale Williams <dale.wms1@frontier.com> wrote:
I find his to be the case most documents converted to PDF, as it counts any cover pages, indices or sub-headings before the first page begins.
Confusing and annoying, but it seems to be the norm. Corporate annual reports are especially prone to this.
- 73,
Dale WA8EFK
On 12/16/2019 1:23 PM, Mark J Tharp wrote:
But the page number at the bottom of the PDF is still correct. The digital version counts the cover as a page as well. Never had anyone bring this up to me. A quick glance at the bottom of the page tells you where you are. If this were to change, then the paper version would not match the PDF and that would be confusing.
In my opinion... ?
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:38 AM Fred Hopengarten <k1vr@arrl.org> wrote:
To the Board:
The issue is that the digital page and the index listing don’t match. WB8IMY says there have been few complaints.
I don’t intend to go to war over this issue, but I feel that officers and members of the Board should know about the issue. It came up when I tried to find the W1ZR article on 43 foot verticals, and I got very confused. The index said the article was on page 30, the digital page was actually page 38.
I thought y’all would like to know.
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*From:* Ford, Steve, WB8IMY [mailto:sford@arrl.org] *Sent:* Monday, December 16, 2019 12:29 PM *To:* hopengarten@post.harvard.edu *Cc:* Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) *Subject:* RE: Archive Error Report June 2012
Fred: While that would be possible, it would require revisions to every page of a digital magazine layout prior to going to press. One of the ways in which the process is cost effective is that it relies on us “touching” the files as little as possible. We send the same files for digital processing that we do for printing.
Your notice notwithstanding, complaints about this issue have been virtually non-existent. So, we would have to weigh the required cost and effort against the need. Also, most people use keyword searches in digital editions rather than searching by page numbers, which may be the reason there have been so few complaints over the years.
73 . . . Steve Ford, WB8IMY
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*From:* Fred Hopengarten <k1vr@arrl.org> *Sent:* Monday, December 16, 2019 12:17 PM *To:* Lau, Zack, W1VT <w1vt@arrl.org> *Cc:* Ford, Steve, WB8IMY <sford@arrl.org> *Subject:* RE: Archive Error Report June 2012
Wow. If I understand it correctly, this means that one cannot rely on the page number when looking up an article in the digital version. Perhaps there should be a note that appears continuously at the top of every page to remind viewers of the shift in page numbers between the printed magazine and the online magazine.
Steve?
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*From:* Lau, Zack, W1VT [mailto:w1vt@arrl.org <w1vt@arrl.org>] *Sent:* Monday, December 16, 2019 9:48 AM *To:* Hopengarten, Fred, K1VR, (Dir, NE) *Cc:* Ford, Steve, WB8IMY *Subject:* Archive Error Report June 2012
Hi Fred K1VR,
I consider page 30 to be the correct page, as is the page number originally printed in the magazine.
The digital archive uses page 38, as it calls the first two cover pages page 1 and page 2. There are also six additional pages as part of a special advertising section.
This pagination is out of my expertise, I’ll forward this email to Steve Ford who may know the editorial conventions commonly used when you convert a paper magazine to a digital version.
*Archive Error Report*
*Jun 2012-QST - The 43 Foot Vertical Monopole -- What's the Magic?*
*Field*
*Data on File*
*Submitted Correction*
Id
140390 <http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/140390>
4556
Issue
Jun 2012-*QST*
Jun 2012-QST
Title
The 43 Foot Vertical Monopole -- What's the Magic?
The 43 Foot Vertical Monopole -- What's the Magic?
Author
Joel R. Hallas, W1ZR
Joel R. Hallas, W1ZR
Column
Feature
Feature
Keywords
Page
30
30
File
Other
Actually, the article starts on page 38, not page 30.
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k1vr@arrl.org
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No
Created
2019-12-15 16:05:53
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