Henry: As I noted in an earlier response, we have found someone at Earthlink who is willing to talk to us and appears more than willing to work together to resolve the situation. One of the problems was getting to such a person in the Earthlink beaucracy. But now that we have, I'm hoping we can resolve the situation. 73, Barry, N1VXY -----Original Message----- From: Leggette, Henry (Vice Dir, Delta) Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:48 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:9544] Re: And The Word From QSL.NET Hello ALL, After looking over the situation, I think it is time to sit down to the table with Earthlink and talk this thing out. It appears to be a lot of finger pointing. My experience has been over the years when there is a problem between two vendors or companies, no one wants to accept responsibility. This is more important when you have a demarcation as Earthlink appears to have with ARRL. Barry, I am not saying you are not doing a great job. However, it will be differant when they sit across the table and talk about the situation. This way you will have a person that has committed to working with you or us on this problem. 73, Henry - WD4Q ----- Original Message ----- From: Shelley, Barry, <mailto:bshelley@arrl.org> N1VXY To: arrl-odv <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:02 AM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:9543] Re: And The Word From QSL.NET While I have no way to verify the validity of the sender, given this note from Art, I thought I would pass it along. I have talked to Al Waller (I think that's his last name) several times over the years and know he is a fanatic spam fighter. We actually got a proposal from him to run arrl.net when we were first outsourcing it. I don't have my notes but I think his proposal was in the $45-$50,000 range at the time. This was about double the cost we finally got from the company in Indiana. Maybe the additional costs were for spam filtering!!! This note comes from someone who claims to be a qth.net sys admin. Seems they're having trouble getting Earthlink to accept mail from their listserver for some reason. Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim" <listowner@mailman.qth.net>
To: <N1VXY@arrl.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:16 AM
Subject: Earthlink
Welcome to the club. Earthlink has been delaying mail from our email
listserver for months. I've spent hours with them on the phone and they
just don't care, they're going ahead full steam with their heads down.
If you are ever able to contact someone that can help you, please let me
know. We have over 1500 Earthlink subscribers and several hundred more
subscribers that use other ISPs, that use Earthlink mail servers
(sprintmail, netcom, jps, etc.)
Good luck.
Tim
System Admin
QTH.NET
-----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 8:37 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:9538] Re: And The Word From QSL.NET If that were the case (and it isn't, because members with arrl.net aliases who don't advertise them don't receive much if any spam) that wouldn't cause Earthlink any problems. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Goddard, Art (Dir, SW) Sent: Tue 9/30/2003 12:08 AM To: arrl-odv Cc: Subject: [ARRL-ODV:9536] And The Word From QSL.NET And here is QSL.net taking the high ground - at least higher than ARRL... 73, Art W6XD ----------------------------------------------------------------
To: qsl-net@mailman.qth.net From: "Alan L. Waller" <k3tkj@qsl.net> Subject: [QSL-Net] ARRL/Earthlink Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:55:55 -0400
Hi Ken and others....
Thanks for your input on the QSL/ARRL/QTH spamming thread.
Here's the basic problem with ARRL and QSL, you or a spammer can download the FCC database of active US calls..... Append @arrl.net or @qsl.net to this list and you are GUARANTEED to have every user on both systems since we both only allow the ham call as the mail address. BTW this works for every country database and is especially important at QSL because of the large number of non-US users.
VERY little Spam today comes through open relays, these have been hammered into submission by the blackhole lists and other than a few in the Far East they are under reasonable control and monitored by several sites. The majority of Spam is relayed through OPEN PROXY SERVERS, as they are numerous, are usually associated with big bandwidth and are totally transparent to a Spammer. You cannot trace Spam through OPS's as there is no logging and even if there was the owner of the OPS does not even know it is happening.
The ARRL's position seems to be that it is not their problem to do any filtering for Spam at the server.
QTH lists are double opt-in so as long as a spammer does not subscribe his drivel will bounce to the list owner. The only reason we Spam filter QTH is to give a bit of relief to the list owners. It is not needed to keep the lists Spam free.
QSL has always had server Spam filtering and will always do so. I won't publically describe how this is done, although for the interested I will give you the details off list. QSL, in it's Acceptable USE Policy, emphasizes the fact that QSL mail has no guarantees of delivery or suitability. I tell everyone who asks...if the mail is that important to you DO NOT use QSL. I filter spam heavily, I block abusers instantly and the system is not perfect. Occasionally innocents users are blocked but 99.9% of the messages blocked are Spam. The number of messages rejected daily is 6 digits so it does work.
73, Al