As I stated at the meeting, I too have had many calls and emails, explaining disagreement with the RFinder program. However, after more communications, one of the coordinators has been in contact with Bob Greenberg, and seems to be having some reasonable conversations and possibly mitigating most of the concerns – of course, only time will tell. I am willing to remove myself from the conversation, at this time, and let the coordinators communicate with Mr. Greenberg. I think we all should take a step back, for the moment and see if they can prevail. Also, as I stated, I am an advocate for the coordinators and share their concerns. That being said, I have confidence in the current conversations. 73 and good Hamming Jim Pace, K7CEX ARRL the National Association for Amateur Radio Northwestern Division Director ARRL – the national association for Amateur Radio From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Richard J. Norton Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 9:54 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:25942] Repeater Directory - RFinder - Coordinator Distress Here is more feedback concerning the League's present Repeater Directory and RFinder. activity. Repeater coordination is a relatively thankless job. Realistically, it looks like the League has now probably mortally alienated the repeater coordination contingent, and will likely hasten the demise of some coordination efforts. It is likely to be a tough sell to convince some uncoordinated repeater owners of the desirability of coordination. When they get adequate publicity, missing only an asterisk in the ARRL directory, this is likely to become nearly impossible. The suggestion that the directory now contains a group of prospects, ripe for harvesting into the coordination basket, will not be taken as being sincere. The complaints about the editorial changes refer to the listing of repeaters by city/village/mountain-name in an entire state. If it was on the east coast, California would stretch from New England to Georgia. To list repeaters by city name in such a large region as that, or California, suggests that a user should use a map of where he is, and then check each city, one-by-one, in the area. There are only 6 repeaters listed for Los Angeles. How is any visiting ham expected to know to check "Oat Mountain" for some of the possibly usable nearby repeater? I don't know where this idea of listing repeaters came from. I hope that the League will put pressure on RFinder to remedy some of the complaints in the attached letter. What next? 73, Dick, N6AA ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fortney, James T. <Jim@fortney.org <mailto:Jim@fortney.org> > Date: Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM Subject: Coordination To: "Richard J. Norton" <richardjnorton@gmail.com <mailto:richardjnorton@gmail.com> > Dick - Let me begin by making sure you understand that my communications on this subject are because I am a 220SMA Officer and long term supporter of the Amateur Radio Coordination activities. I do not have my Section Manager hat on when discussing this subject. Attached is one of the response letters I have seen and for the most part coves all the points of which I would want you to be aware. The one additional item I would like to point out is that whoever decided to make the format and editorial changes to the Repeater Directory for this year does not understand how the manual is used by the average Amateur. I believe the redesign will make the sales of the Repeater Directory fall significantly, maybe that was part of the bigger plan. I'll call so we can discuss your attitude about getting involved in this anti-coordination effort by the League. - JimF K6IYK -------------------------------------------- James T. Fortney Jim@Fortney.org <mailto:Jim@Fortney.org> --------------------------------------------