Fred has been known to say that he sees no reason for Technicians to know any technical material whatsoever. Are we at the edge of that slippery slope? I suspect that if he had his way, the Tech test would consist of a picture of home plate and a picture of someone's rear end. If you can tell the difference, you pass. (Yeah, we have all run into a few hams who would have failed that quiz, but you know what I mean!) It doesn't surprise me that they've had no public input. It is so much easier to gripe and whine about new hams than to sit down and write a constructive alternative to the status quo. 73 - Kay WT3P --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002