OK, Art, but what I see there is something from the Missouri SEC. If there's something from CA State OES I'm missing it. Getting back to the question of how long the product has been around, I have found an ad in April 1997 QST. I haven't gone back pre-1997. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Art Goddard [mailto:w6xd@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:37 PM To: arrl-odv@listserv.arrl.org Subject: [ARRL-ODV:7274] Re: Positive ID for Amateur Radio Emergency Dave- Bill Pennington's concern is just what Jim Maxwell already shared with you in ODV-7258. Bill is WA6SLA, and holds the position of (CA State) OES Communications Coordinator, Inland Region. http://acs.oes.ca.gov/ Bill sent his concern to Steve Ewald on May 29. 73, (D) Art (h)