Hi Ria et al., While there is some truth to what you say, let's not take security too far. Our Board information, even the confidential information such as is involved in the CEO contract, is not, in the grand scheme of things, really all that important or sensitive. Certainly the CIA can get it, and I'm sure a bunch of other groups, governmental and otherwise, foreign and domestic, could get at it if they tried hard enough. Any court can get it as well, though the procedure is slow. Our security obligations should be based on reasonableness considering the nature of the information. As such, I would find it adequate were the list of recipients well defined and proper, and if there were some basic access controls that would keep people from adding themselves or third parties to the list. If this is not the case, we should make it the case. Passing all subscription requests through a moderator would fulfill this, in my view. If this is not currently so, let's "make it so." Remember also that even material communicated through ad hoc messaging outide of ODV is accessible. In the general case, it's a bit harder, but anyone who could get access to the League email could probably get access to everyone else's if they felt it important enough, which I doubt they ever would. For a court, it would be easier - just a bunch of subpoena, I make an exception for Kristen, whose email is probably locked up with a zillion character superkey ... ;-) The purpose of ODV is to have a place, limited to officers, directors, and vice directors, where Board matters of all sorts can be freely discussed. It's convenient, simple, and effective. If it is not sufficient, then something sufficient needs to be devised ASAP. MikeK1TWF -----Original Message----- From: rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> To: Mike Raisbeck <vze18vwgu@verizon.net> Cc: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2020 6:37 am Subject: [arrl-odv:30795] Re: CEO contract There’s a link at the bottom of the list where you can see membership. https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/roster/arrl-odv In reality this is email, it’s not confidential anyway and it’s in plain text. Anyone who has access to mailman at HQ can see the contents. In a true committee of the whole, there are no recordings. That’s not possible with email and definitely not possible with a mailing list. Even if you turn off the archives at the server level it’s archived locally by some (my email goes back to around 2004 when I first signed on to gmail). RiaN2RJ On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 6:29 AM Mike Raisbeck <vze18vwgu@verizon.net> wrote: We have staffers in 2 categories - those who are officers or otherwise are suitable recipients of confidential information - this includes the CEO and should include the CFO and the attornies - and those who are not. The latter should probably not be on the list. Barry or Diane - could you send around a copy of the distribution list for ODV, and perhaps weigh in yourselves on what you think might be appropriate for ODV coverage? Thanks, Mike K1TWF -----Original Message----- From: Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> To: rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 10:47 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:30793] Re: CEO contract
there are staffers who monitor here
THAT needs to stop, not open conversations here. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:34 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: Agreed. However, there are staffers who monitor here, so it doesn't seem appropriate to discuss any committee of the whole matters. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 21:56, Mike Raisbeck via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hold on a minute !!
ODV is supposed to be a secure place for candid conversation, and that includes Board confidential material.
There is no need whatever to stop conversations on ODV that I can discern. If there is such a reason, it should be presented here.
Mike
K1TWF
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Rick is correct about the need for continued confidentiality until Wednesday night's meeting and I apologize to the Board for forgetting that fact.
We all, with no disrespect intended to anyone, need to stop talking about this matter on ODV until the Wednesday meeting when all of this can be aired without concern.
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On 8/24/20 7:04 PM, k5ur@aol.com wrote:
Let's remember that the process is not concluded and was discussed in the Committee of the Whole, so let's be mindful of confidentiality.
73,
Rick - K5UR
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With respect and no comment on Mickey's concerns, the candidate is David MINSTER.
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On 8/24/20 5:24 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
I agree somewhat with Ria, but I reflect on the near term history and I've seen that the board hasn't done that very well. The prior CEO seemed to be doing what he pleased, and even though the Board has identified LoTW and other IT related issues, LLL and AMS have been a commitment that has sucked up money and staff time to the exclusion of other important projects.
If the Board doesn't set priorities, Staff will say, "Hi boss, here's what we're working on and need to finish..." and it will be deja vu all over again.
I've worked for Boards with no direction and have, generally within 30 days, produced a set of priorities for Board comment and taken direction from that. If Minter doesn't engage with us personally and reflect a list, he's not the right guy for this board.
The reason I voted for Idelson is that he ALREADY HAS a set of issues and initiatives that the Board could choose from as priorities because he is actively engaged.
I'm more than a bit concerned with the choice of Mr. Minter for exactly this reason. The ARRL CEO is more than just a functionary as are the CEO's of, let's say, a chain of retail outlets. We are a non-profit - a "for a cause" corporation. The "cause" for us is the center of focus - finances are a way to further the cause, but profit is not a motive and the ways in which we get money are limited by law. In the retail chain world, store profit, product line profit, and product logistics are the issues.
Except for our publication business, these are not our issues. Personal relationships are perhaps the most important issue - which is why we had references for all candidates.
Mickey Baker, N4MB
Palm Beach Gardens, FL
“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 5:43 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
Director RItz -
"Are either the A&F or EC going to work with our new CEO to develop a
hard list of goals and objectives for him to achieve, and metrics by
which success can be measured, so the board can both accurately and
fairly gauge his performance come January 2022?"
My answer:
I would sure hope not!
That to me seems to actually be the responsibility of the entire
Board, and not a small subset of Directors.
In other words, we formulate an annual plan, and the CEO and staff go
and execute that plan. If I'm wrong in this, I am curious to know why.
But to me it seems as though we should be focusing on the org as a
whole, with the CEO having final responsibilities.
The strategic plan should be a multi-year view of the direction of the
organization and that is both the responsibility of the Board and the
CEO.
In my opinion we should be working with the new CEO on some key areas
where we are lagging and where we need to improve. Also we should
focus on the good and see where we need to keep things at. the level
they are currently.
Since you and I made/seconded a motion to formulate a strategic plan,
this is where we all come in.
Respectfully
Ria, N2RJ
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 17:36, Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
I have just one question, probably addressed to either the A&F or EC Committees: There is a sentence in the middle of Section 1.1 in the contract that reads in part: "... the Board of Directors and Executive annually may agree upon a list of goals and objectives for Executive, as the same, subject to mutual agreement of both parties, may be modified from time to time....", then it goes on to indicate that this list can be used as a performance gauge.
Good stuff, if any of that actually happens. One of the problems I noted with how the Board handled Dr. Michel was that he was not held to any standard of performance by the Board up front, therefore he could "do his own thing" without apparent repercussion.
Now the $225,000 question: We're not hiring Mr. Minster just to fill an empty hole in the organization, at least I sincerely hope not. Are either the A&F or EC going to work with our new CEO to develop a hard list of goals and objectives for him to achieve, and metrics by which success can be measured, so the board can both accurately and fairly gauge his performance come January 2022?
73;
Mike
W7VO
On 08/24/2020 9:23 AM Niswander, Rick <niswanderf@ecu.edu> wrote:
Attached is the CEO contract that has been negotiated with and signed by Mr. Minster. This is a confidential document and is marked as such. This is a scanned copy so the file size is larger.
The wording in the document is almost the same as the agreement with Howard. Obviously the financial and date-specific parameters (salary, updated employment dates, etc.) are different. The financial terms are consistent with the email Kermit sent on Saturday. If you are comparing documents, there is an additional paragraph in this document related to the 3 months of temporary housing [3.1(c)] and the paragraph related to auto allowance was removed.
The contract has been reviewed by Matt Curtin, the HR attorney at Murtha.
If you have questions I would be glad to answer them either at Wednesday’s meeting or before.
Frederick (Rick) Niswander, PhD, CPA, CGMA
Professor of Accounting
East Carolina University
Greenville, NC 27858
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