Mike, Before we take any additional actions, I think that we need to develop a consistent, fair policy for use of our logos in ads before we make the decision to completely remove a logo, particular if an advertiser agrees to comply with our latest request to add the registered symbol and the language that Chris supplied. Adding the symbol and language will assure that we maintain control over our registered trademarks. Otherwise, it would appear discriminatory and/or arbitrary if we applied this action to a particular advertiser or any other organization that we single out or just don't like. I will discuss this with Dave, Chris and Deb Jahnke and we will develop a fair usage policy for our logo usage by advertisers and others, but I want to be on solid legal ground since these types of decisions can have some significant ramifications. With regard to RemoteHamRadio, we are told that Ray, the owner, is out of the country getting ready for CQ WW and that the appropriate language and symbol will be added when he returns. I am off to HamCation in Orlando tomorrow morning, so I may not be able to respond to further emails as quickly while I travel tomorrow and work the show. 73, Harold ________________________________ From: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 3:21 PM To: Kramer, Harold, WJ1B; arrl-odv Cc: Jahnke, Deb, K1DAJ Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:23943] Re: Logo Usage Harold, Thanks for the reply. I understand that they can’t “take back” what they’ve already done, but they can remove the logos from anything they still have on the web, including the stored newsletter if it’s still available to view online. I would also be loath to grant future access to our logos for this product. The reasons are simple, and in many ways mirror the issues we dealt with over the DX Engineering proposal vis-à-vis the ARRL Lab. Additionally, the use of remote operations for DXCC credit is a very hot button topic. As many members are for it as against it, and the largest concerns from members deal with the commercialization of remote operations. I’m not arguing the merits, just reminding you (us) that to allow the use of our logos in future advertising for this product will create more bad-will than we need. I’d be interested in hearing what others on the Board have to say about this. 73 de Mike N2YBB From: Kramer, Harold, WJ1B<mailto:wj1b@arrl.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 12:17 PM To: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson)<mailto:mlisenco@arrl.org> ; arrl-odv<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Cc: Jahnke, Deb, K1DAJ<mailto:djahnke@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:23943] Re: Logo USage Mike, After discussion with Chris, we told them that, like any other party, they had to ask permission to use the DXCC logo or any of our other trademarks. Chris provided us with specific language that any party who uses the logos now needs to use . Here it is: The ARRL diamond logo, "QST" and "DXCC" are registered trademarks of the American Radio Relay League, Incorporated and are used by permission.” Deb Jahnke will also be sending this information to all of our advertisers. RemoteHamRadio cannot take back their newsletter, but they will need to ask permission in the future and we will evaluate their request on a case by case basis. Chris recommended that we also add the ® symbol to the DXCC logo and that other parties who use the logo do the same. Based on that recommendation, we are in the process of adding this symbol to our web pages and other material. For example, you will now notice it here : https://p1kexternal.arrl.org/onlinedxcc/ Regards/73, Harold Harold Kramer, WJ1B ARRL Chief Operating Officer 860 594 0220 From: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:44 AM To: Kramer, Harold, WJ1B; arrl-odv Subject: Logo USage Harold, What is the status of the logo usage by RHR? Have they been told to stop? 73 de Mike N2YBB ________________________________ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv