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Fwd: Democratic People's Republic of Korea - P5
by Rod Stafford W6ROD 31 Jul '05

31 Jul '05

If you've already seen this sorry for the duplication. 73, Rod W6ROD >X-Originating-IP: [200.44.33.31] >X-Matched-Lists: [] >From: "Reinaldo Leandro YV5AMH" <rleandro(a)cantv.net> >To: "Reinaldo Leandro YV5AMH" <rleandro(a)cantv.net> >Subject: Democratic People's Republic of Korea - P5 >Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:09:57 -0400 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 >thread-index: AcWURzNBBAvU2ox/Q2m2tWR6I00ZUw== >X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on >rs26s12.datacenter.cha.cantv.net >X-Virus-Status: Clean > > > > >---------- > >Democratic People's Republic of Korea - P5 >North Korea Flag > >Dave, P5/KA2HTV > >Doing a club newsletter? Feel free to use the information on this page. >Please reference our website for credit, http://www.amsatnet.com >73...Bruce KK5DO > > >P5/KA2HTV operation August 9-23, 2005 > >There will be no online log while Dave is in P5. Dave is logging with >paper and the data will have to be entered into a computer when he gets back. > >Sending for a QSL card? >Postage in the U.S. is 37 cents. For international mail, it is 80 cents. >(International Rates are supposed to be going up in January, 2006) > >QSL Route via KK5DO >Direct is preferred, Buro okay >Bruce Paige >PO Box 310 >Alief, TX 77411-0310 >USA > >Please limit your contacts to ONE with Dave. >Many hams were not able to work Ed, P5/4L4FN. >Please allow those that did not get P5 before a chance to work P5 now. >If you are in the P5/4L4FN log, do not send for a QSL card from this >operation. > ><http://www.amsatnet.com/p5a.htmlfright.html>Return to previous page >

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[arrl-odv:12835] Re: Guess what
by Andy Oppel 30 Jul '05

30 Jul '05

The behavior the Dr. Weaver experienced is indeed the default behavior of most search engines. If you include multiple terms, it finds all documents where those terms appear somewhere in the document. However, if you place serveral terms in double quotes, it does an exact match on those terms. When I put the terms 2006, 2008, division, and elections into the search, I got the same results Dr. Weaver reported. However, when I put double-quotes around the entire string, it became one search term and the result was no documents: Sorry, your search for "2005 division election" did not find any results. No documents were found containing ""2005 division election"". I removed 2005, searching only on "division election" (as a single term) and got this result: 1. <http://www.arrl.org/htdig//w1aw/2000-index.html>ARRLWeb: W1AW General Bulletins for 2000 [5.815%] ... SK 06-Dec-2000 ARLB046 Former ARRL NW Division Vice Director Gib Gibson, W7JIE, SK ... Elected 17-Nov-2000 ARLB044 ARRL Division Election Results 16-Nov-2000 ARLS021 ... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-index.html>http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-index.html - 14020 bytes [text/html] - Sun, 19 Mar 2000, 11:57:22 EST 2. <http://www.arrl.org/htdig//w1aw/2000-arlb044.html>ARRLWeb: W1AW Bulletin ARLB044 (2000) [2.701%] ... Keplerian · Propagation ARLB044: ARRL Division Election Results SB QST @ ARL $ARLB044 ARLB044 ARRL Division Election Results ZCZC AG44 QST de ... SB QST ARL ARLB044 ARLB044 ARRL Division Election Results The ARRL Central ... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb044.html>http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb044.ht... - 8542 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 17 Nov 2000, 17:13:06 EST The only problem here is the lack of results for any division election after 2000. I don't believe the search engine itself is to blame, but rather the indexing of documents. Indexing is the process that scans documents, pulling keywords into an index that is used by the search engine to find related documents (much like a human would do with the index in the back of a book). In fact, when you write a book, the publisher typically hires an "indexer" who reads the manuscript (or more likely uses some automated tool) and assembles an index (I know this from the book I have in print - the indexer even has a credit in the book). It's clear to me that the ARRL web site isn't properly indexed for the search engine. I don't know what process is being used, but the best is a fully automated solution using an indexing tool that works 100% of the time. The Google tool that someone suggested at the board meeting (my apologies on not remembering who it was) is an appliance (combined hardware and software) that plugs into the web server and automatically indexes every document added to the server. The appliance also has the now famous Google search engine in it. I don't know what it costs, but my guess is that it's not cheap. And it's certainly not the only solution out there, so please don't take my comments on it as a specific recommendation. The point should be that what we have now is broken and needs to be fixed -- the "fix" requires a bit of study and a proper analysis of workable alternative solutions. -- Andy Oppel, N6AJO Vice Director, Pacific Division (and in my work life: Principal Data Architect, Ceridian) At 01:58 PM 7/29/2005, you wrote: >You got your initial result because there was one document on the Web site >in which the terms "2006," "2008," "division" and "elections" appeared (I >believe our search engine, and most others, ignores hyphens). That >happened to be the 2000 10-Meter Contest Results. All four terms are there >-- take a look. > >If the search engine was a sentient being it probably would have wondered >why on earth you wanted this document, but it found what you asked for and >told you that you probably weren't interested in it (that's what the low >percentage figure means). > >It didn't find what you were looking for because that document is not on >the Web site. It isn't on the Web site because Bylaw 18 stipulates where >it should appear, and that's in QST. The way to change that is to amend >the Bylaws, not the search engine. > >Dave K1ZZ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Weaver, Jim K8JE (DIR, GL) >Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:26 PM >To: arrl-odv >Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:12830] Re: Guess what > >Dave, Im just expressing frustration over the recalcitrant nature I >happen to continue to see in our system. The greater the degree to which >an information search system must be fed information before it retrieves >useful output, the less the practical value of the system. For example, >providing information on the 2001 ARRL 10 M contest when I had requested >election information during 2005 seems to indicate the system is about >as still as useless as mammary glands on a boar. At best it suggests the >system is as user-friendly as was Attila the Hun to his captives. (Pardon >my intended hyperbolism.) > > > >When are we going to have a system that operates in a manner that will >reflect positively on our technologically-progressive >organization? Conversely, should the question be, Will we ever . . .? > > > >Jim Weaver, K8JE > >Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; ><http://www.arrl.org/>http://www.arrl.org/ > >5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 > >Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.org>k8je(a)arrl.org > >ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! > >MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is! > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] >Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:27 PM >To: arrl-odv >Subject: [arrl-odv:12830] Re: Guess what > > > >Jim, I'm not sure what point you're making. If it is to propose that Bylaw >18 be amended, it is certainly possible to formulate an amendment for January. > > > >73, > >Dave K1ZZ > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Weaver, Jim K8JE (DIR, GL) >Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:19 PM >To: arrl-odv >Subject: [arrl-odv:12829] Guess what > >Desiring a respite from the important things in ham life and wishing to be >reminded of everything that has been published in QST or on our web site, >I decided to do a search of arrl.org for 2006-2008 division >elections. Sure enough, within a couple of seconds the search results >appeared. One item was found. It was; > > > >1. ><http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf>2000 >ARRL 10-Meter Contest Results [0.020%] >[pdf] > > >... were also a total of 39 new ARRL/RAC division records set during the >event. Phone ... Operator stations that set new ARRL Division records in >their categories: Mixed QRP ... ><http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf>http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/200... >- 162789 bytes [application/pdf] - Fri, 27 Jul 2001, 11:12:16 EDT >Reasoning that the search engine must want me to ask for 2005 elections I >revised the search to 2005 division elections. Sure enough, I promptly saw: > > > >1. <http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/>ARRLWeb: The ARRL Letter [4.878%] > >... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of >Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific >Division incumbent ... completing his second year as Pacific Division Vice >Director. In the Southeastern ... ><http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/>http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/ >- 33643 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 19:03:36 EST >2. <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html>ARRLWeb: W1AW Bulletin >ARLB049 (2001) [4.878%] > >2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... in three ARRL divisions for the >2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these >contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... ><http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html>http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.ht... >- 7803 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 16:57:09 EST >3. <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1>ARRLWeb: >ARRL VT Section [2.922%] > >... Clubs Other sections New England Division Back to Section Page Monthly >Section News Summaries May 2005 April 2005 February 2005 January 2005 >December 2004 October 2004 September ... ><http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1>http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?... >- 9601 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 17 Jun 2005, 22:59:38 EDT >4. <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html>ARRLWeb: W1AW Bulletin >ARLB100 (1998) [0.865%] > >2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... Keplerian · Propagation ARLB100: >ARRL elections SB QST @ ARL $ARLB100 ARLB100 ARRL elections ZCZC AG01 QST >de W1AW ARRL Bulletin ... ><http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html>http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.ht... >- 6617 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 13:49:55 EST >5. <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1>ARRLWeb: ARRL In >Action: What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.860%] > >... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 30, 2005 This feature--including >convenient Web ... Radio Spectrum Protection Act of 2005 into the Senate. >ARRL President Jim ... Communications Conference (GAREC 2005) in his >capacity as Region 2 President ... ><http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1>http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... >- 8632 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST ><http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/>http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... >- 8632 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST >6. <http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/>ARRLWeb: Minutes of the >2005<http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/> Annual Meeting ARRL Board >of Directors [0.831%] > >... Minutes of the 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors January >21-22, 2005 Summary Agenda 1. Roll Call 2. Moment ... Articles of >Association and Bylaws 7. Elections 8. Consideration of recommendations of ... ><http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/>http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/ >- 35778 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 28 Jan 2005, 15:52:24 EST >7. <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html>ARRLWeb: Minutes of >the Executive Committee, Number 475 [0.816%] > >... COMMITTEE Denver Colorado -- April 9, 2005 Pursuant to due notice, the >Executive ... met at 8:40 AM MDT, Saturday, April 9, 2005, at the Denver >Airport Marriott at ... D. Imlay, W3KD, and Midwest Division Vice Director >Bruce Frahm, K0BJ, at ... ><http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html>http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_... >- 28079 bytes [text/html] - Tue, 26 Apr 2005, 10:07:19 EDT >8. <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html>ARRLWeb: W1AW General >Bulletins for 1998 [0.677%] > >2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... QRT 04-Dec-1998 ARLB104 >Northwestern Division Director Mary Lou Brown, NM7N, SK ... results >20-Nov-1998 ARLB100 ARRL elections 16-Nov-1998 ARLB099 FCC call sign ... ><http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html>http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html >- 17004 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 09:45:52 EST >9. <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html>ARRLWeb: W1AW Bulletin >ARLB006 (2000) [0.640%] > >2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... · Propagation ARLB006: ARRL >Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion SB QST @ ARL $ARLB006 >ARLB006 ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion ZCZC AG06 ... ><http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html>http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.ht... >- 7047 bytes [text/html] - Sun, 19 Mar 2000, 11:58:03 EST >10. <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/>ARRLWeb: ARRL In >Action: What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.603%] > >... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 1, 2005 This feature--including >convenient Web ... HQ for two contested Section Manager elections. Six >incumbent SMs did not face ... its slate of scholarship winners for 2005. >The 2005 Goldfarb Scholarship was ... ><http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/>http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... >- 6402 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST ><http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/?nc=1>http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... >- 6402 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST >Searching for 2005-8 division election announcements I found a variety >of reports on BoD meetings, l primarily. > > > >After this, I turned the computer off and went looking for my QSTs while >thanking HPM for making this great new IT system available to us and our >members. Geez! > > > >Jim Weaver, K8JE > >Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; ><http://www.arrl.org/>http://www.arrl.org/ > >5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 > >Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.org>k8je(a)arrl.org > >ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! > >MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is! > > > >

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[arrl-odv:12834] Re: Guess what
by Jim K8JE 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Uncle! Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; http://www.arrl.org/ 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:59 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:12833] Re: Guess what You got your initial result because there was one document on the Web site in which the terms "2006," "2008," "division" and "elections" appeared (I believe our search engine, and most others, ignores hyphens). That happened to be the 2000 10-Meter Contest Results. All four terms are there -- take a look. If the search engine was a sentient being it probably would have wondered why on earth you wanted this document, but it found what you asked for and told you that you probably weren't interested in it (that's what the low percentage figure means). It didn't find what you were looking for because that document is not on the Web site. It isn't on the Web site because Bylaw 18 stipulates where it should appear, and that's in QST. The way to change that is to amend the Bylaws, not the search engine. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Weaver, Jim K8JE (DIR, GL) Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:26 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:12830] Re: Guess what Dave, I'm just expressing frustration over the recalcitrant nature I happen to continue to see in our system. The greater the degree to which an information search system must be fed information before it retrieves useful output, the less the practical value of the system. For example, providing information on the 2001 ARRL 10 M contest when I had requested "election" information during "2005" seems to indicate the system is about as still as useless as mammary glands on a boar. At best it suggests the system is as user-friendly as was Attila the Hun to his captives. (Pardon my intended hyperbolism.) When are we going to have a system that operates in a manner that will reflect positively on our technologically-progressive organization? Conversely, should the question be, "Will we ever . . .?" Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; http://www.arrl.org/ 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:27 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:12830] Re: Guess what Jim, I'm not sure what point you're making. If it is to propose that Bylaw 18 be amended, it is certainly possible to formulate an amendment for January. 73, Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Weaver, Jim K8JE (DIR, GL) Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:19 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:12829] Guess what Desiring a respite from the important things in ham life and wishing to be reminded of everything that has been published in QST or on our web site, I decided to do a search of arrl.org for "2006-2008 division elections." Sure enough, within a couple of seconds the search results appeared. One item was found. It was; 1. 2000 <http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf> ARRL 10-Meter Contest Results [0.020%] [PDF] ... were also a total of 39 new ARRL/RAC division records set during the event. Phone ... Operator stations that set new ARRL Division records in their categories: Mixed QRP ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/200... <http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf> - 162789 bytes [application/pdf] - Fri, 27 Jul 2001, 11:12:16 EDT Reasoning that the search engine must want me to ask for 2005 elections I revised the search to "2005 division elections." Sure enough, I promptly saw: 1. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/> The ARRL Letter [4.878%] ... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... completing his second year as Pacific Division Vice Director. In the Southeastern ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/ - 33643 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 19:03:36 EST 2. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html> W1AW Bulletin ARLB049 (2001) [4.878%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html> - 7803 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 16:57:09 EST 3. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1> ARRL VT Section [2.922%] ... Clubs Other sections New England Division Back to Section Page Monthly Section News Summaries May 2005 April 2005 February 2005 January 2005 December 2004 October 2004 September ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?... <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1> - 9601 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 17 Jun 2005, 22:59:38 EDT 4. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html> W1AW Bulletin ARLB100 (1998) [0.865%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... Keplerian . Propagation ARLB100: ARRL elections SB QST @ ARL $ARLB100 ARLB100 ARRL elections ZCZC AG01 QST de W1AW ARRL Bulletin ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html> - 6617 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 13:49:55 EST 5. ARRLWeb: ARRL In <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1> Action: What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.860%] ... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 30, 2005 This feature--including convenient Web ... Radio Spectrum Protection Act of 2005 into the Senate. ARRL President Jim ... Communications Conference (GAREC 2005) in his capacity as Region 2 President ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1> - 8632 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 2. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/> - 8632 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 6. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/> Minutes of the 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors [0.831%] ... Minutes of the 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors January 21-22, 2005 Summary Agenda 1. Roll Call 2. Moment ... Articles of Association and Bylaws 7. Elections 8. Consideration of recommendations of ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/ - 35778 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 28 Jan 2005, 15:52:24 EST 7. ARRLWeb: Minutes of the <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html> Executive Committee, Number 475 [0.816%] ... COMMITTEE Denver Colorado -- April 9, 2005 Pursuant to due notice, the Executive ... met at 8:40 AM MDT, Saturday, April 9, 2005, at the Denver Airport Marriott at ... D. Imlay, W3KD, and Midwest Division Vice Director Bruce Frahm, K0BJ, at ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_... <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html> - 28079 bytes [text/html] - Tue, 26 Apr 2005, 10:07:19 EDT 8. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html> W1AW General Bulletins for 1998 [0.677%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... QRT 04-Dec-1998 ARLB104 Northwestern Division Director Mary Lou Brown, NM7N, SK ... results 20-Nov-1998 ARLB100 ARRL elections 16-Nov-1998 ARLB099 FCC call sign ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html - 17004 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 09:45:52 EST 9. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html> W1AW Bulletin ARLB006 (2000) [0.640%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... . Propagation ARLB006: ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion SB QST @ ARL $ARLB006 ARLB006 ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion ZCZC AG06 ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html> - 7047 bytes [text/html] - Sun, 19 Mar 2000, 11:58:03 EST 10. ARRLWeb: ARRL In Action: <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/> What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.603%] ... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 1, 2005 This feature--including convenient Web ... HQ for two contested Section Manager elections. Six incumbent SMs did not face ... its slate of scholarship winners for 2005. The 2005 Goldfarb Scholarship was ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/> - 6402 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 2. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/?nc=1> - 6402 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST Searching for "2005-8 division election announcements" I found a variety of reports on BoD meetings, l primarily. After this, I "turned the computer off" and went looking for my QSTs while thanking HPM for making this great new IT system available to us and our members. Geez! Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; http://www.arrl.org/ 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is!

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[arrl-odv:12833] Re: Guess what
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

You got your initial result because there was one document on the Web site in which the terms "2006," "2008," "division" and "elections" appeared (I believe our search engine, and most others, ignores hyphens). That happened to be the 2000 10-Meter Contest Results. All four terms are there -- take a look. If the search engine was a sentient being it probably would have wondered why on earth you wanted this document, but it found what you asked for and told you that you probably weren't interested in it (that's what the low percentage figure means). It didn't find what you were looking for because that document is not on the Web site. It isn't on the Web site because Bylaw 18 stipulates where it should appear, and that's in QST. The way to change that is to amend the Bylaws, not the search engine. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Weaver, Jim K8JE (DIR, GL) Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:26 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:12830] Re: Guess what Dave, I'm just expressing frustration over the recalcitrant nature I happen to continue to see in our system. The greater the degree to which an information search system must be fed information before it retrieves useful output, the less the practical value of the system. For example, providing information on the 2001 ARRL 10 M contest when I had requested "election" information during "2005" seems to indicate the system is about as still as useless as mammary glands on a boar. At best it suggests the system is as user-friendly as was Attila the Hun to his captives. (Pardon my intended hyperbolism.) When are we going to have a system that operates in a manner that will reflect positively on our technologically-progressive organization? Conversely, should the question be, "Will we ever . . .?" Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; http://www.arrl.org/ 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:27 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:12830] Re: Guess what Jim, I'm not sure what point you're making. If it is to propose that Bylaw 18 be amended, it is certainly possible to formulate an amendment for January. 73, Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Weaver, Jim K8JE (DIR, GL) Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:19 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:12829] Guess what Desiring a respite from the important things in ham life and wishing to be reminded of everything that has been published in QST or on our web site, I decided to do a search of arrl.org for "2006-2008 division elections." Sure enough, within a couple of seconds the search results appeared. One item was found. It was; 1. 2000 <http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf> ARRL 10-Meter Contest Results [0.020%] [PDF] ... were also a total of 39 new ARRL/RAC division records set during the event. Phone ... Operator stations that set new ARRL Division records in their categories: Mixed QRP ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/200... <http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf> - 162789 bytes [application/pdf] - Fri, 27 Jul 2001, 11:12:16 EDT Reasoning that the search engine must want me to ask for 2005 elections I revised the search to "2005 division elections." Sure enough, I promptly saw: 1. ARRLWeb: The ARRL Letter <http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/> [4.878%] ... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... completing his second year as Pacific Division Vice Director. In the Southeastern ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/ - 33643 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 19:03:36 EST 2. ARRLWeb: W1AW Bulletin <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html> ARLB049 (2001) [4.878%] 2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html> - 7803 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 16:57:09 EST 3. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1> ARRL VT Section [2.922%] ... Clubs Other sections New England Division Back to Section Page Monthly Section News Summaries May 2005 April 2005 February 2005 January 2005 December 2004 October 2004 September ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?... <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1> - 9601 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 17 Jun 2005, 22:59:38 EDT 4. ARRLWeb: W1AW Bulletin <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html> ARLB100 (1998) [0.865%] 2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... Keplerian · Propagation ARLB100: ARRL elections SB QST @ ARL $ARLB100 ARLB100 ARRL elections ZCZC AG01 QST de W1AW ARRL Bulletin ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html> - 6617 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 13:49:55 EST 5. ARRLWeb: ARRL In <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1> Action: What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.860%] ... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 30, 2005 This feature--including convenient Web ... Radio Spectrum Protection Act of 2005 into the Senate. ARRL President Jim ... Communications Conference (GAREC 2005) in his capacity as Region 2 President ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1> - 8632 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 2. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/> - 8632 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 6. ARRLWeb: Minutes of the <http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/> 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors [0.831%] ... Minutes of the 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors January 21-22, 2005 Summary Agenda 1. Roll Call 2. Moment ... Articles of Association and Bylaws 7. Elections 8. Consideration of recommendations of ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/ - 35778 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 28 Jan 2005, 15:52:24 EST 7. ARRLWeb: Minutes of <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html> the Executive Committee, Number 475 [0.816%] ... COMMITTEE Denver Colorado -- April 9, 2005 Pursuant to due notice, the Executive ... met at 8:40 AM MDT, Saturday, April 9, 2005, at the Denver Airport Marriott at ... D. Imlay, W3KD, and Midwest Division Vice Director Bruce Frahm, K0BJ, at ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_... <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html> - 28079 bytes [text/html] - Tue, 26 Apr 2005, 10:07:19 EDT 8. ARRLWeb: W1AW General <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html> Bulletins for 1998 [0.677%] 2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... QRT 04-Dec-1998 ARLB104 Northwestern Division Director Mary Lou Brown, NM7N, SK ... results 20-Nov-1998 ARLB100 ARRL elections 16-Nov-1998 ARLB099 FCC call sign ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html - 17004 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 09:45:52 EST 9. ARRLWeb: W1AW Bulletin <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html> ARLB006 (2000) [0.640%] 2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... · Propagation ARLB006: ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion SB QST @ ARL $ARLB006 ARLB006 ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion ZCZC AG06 ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html> - 7047 bytes [text/html] - Sun, 19 Mar 2000, 11:58:03 EST 10. ARRLWeb: ARRL In <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/> Action: What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.603%] ... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 1, 2005 This feature--including convenient Web ... HQ for two contested Section Manager elections. Six incumbent SMs did not face ... its slate of scholarship winners for 2005. The 2005 Goldfarb Scholarship was ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/> - 6402 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 2. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/?nc=1> - 6402 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST Searching for "2005-8 division election announcements" I found a variety of reports on BoD meetings, l primarily. After this, I "turned the computer off" and went looking for my QSTs while thanking HPM for making this great new IT system available to us and our members. Geez! Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; http://www.arrl.org/ 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is!

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[arrl-odv:12832] Re: NWS - Senate Bill 786
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

We're entirely free to take positions on pending legislation. What we can't do is to support candidates in any way. With regard to S. 786, what is it we're trying to accomplish? We wouldn't take a stand on every piece of bad legislation that's filed -- we'd have no time to do anything else. I can only think of two ways in which our specific interests overlap those of NWS: 1) We have volunteers who gather severe weather information (principally hurricanes and tornadoes) and feed it to the authorities; and 2) We are consumers, probably to a greater extent than the general public, of NWS weather broadcasts on 162.4 MHz etc. I note that the Weather Coalition http://www.weathercoalition.org/Santorum%20Bill%20Letter%206-05.pdf has written a letter to Commerce Committee Chairman Ted Stevens commenting on the bill. Would it be appropriate for us to send a letter along similar lines, expressing concerns rather than flat-out opposition? What I have in mind is something like this. Suggestions for embellishments welcome -- this is pretty bare-bones. Dave Dear Mr. Chairman: On behalf of its 150,000 members, the ARRL welcomes the opportunity to offer brief comments on the National Weather Service Duties Act of 2005 (S. 786). Many ARRL members are active Amateur Radio volunteers who provide real-time severe weather observations to NWS through the SKYWARN program as well as to the National Hurricane Center in Miami through the Hurricane Watch Net. These activities are conducted in a spirit of public service without compensation of any kind. Radio amateurs also make extensive use of NOAA Weather Radio, US Coast Guard radio broadcasts, and weather satellite imagery. After reviewing the legislation, the ARRL is concerned that it could impede the dissemination of weather information that should be freely available to citizens. Volunteer observers might be placed in the peculiar position of being denied access to forecasts based in part on data that they themselves have provided. It is our view that restricting the NWS to the preparation and issuance of severe weather forecasts and warnings would poorly serve the public interest. As your committee considers S. 786 we ask that our concerns be kept in mind. Sincerely, DS/CEO -----Original Message----- From: Bellows, John (Dir, Dakota) Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:12821] Re: NWS - Senate Bill 786 If we are considering taking a stand on this legislation we ought to do so in a manner that reflects ARRL is committed to public service and non-partisan. In this instance that may not be difficult. According to the cited Infoweek article" "Everyone seems to agree with the ostensible goal of the bill, which is 'to make all data and information that the public has already paid for available in real time' ..... (b)ut there's disagreement about whether the text of the proposed legislation will function as advertised." Most critics and even some proponents agree " ambiguities in the bill could leave room for new restrictions to be placed on National Weather Service data." David Moran, assistant professor of law at Wayne State University said "(t)he bill is poorly drafted because, after reading it several times, I'm not at all clear as to exactly what information the [National Weather Service] would be prohibited from releasing to the public." If the Board feels the need to take a stand on Senate Bill 786, we should frame our position as support for the stated purpose of the Bill, namely that the National Weather Service ought to be free to make all data and information that the public has already paid for available in real time, but that in its' present form Senate Bill 786 is so ambiguous and contradictory to its' stated purpose the we are compelled to oppose it. Of course before opposing any pending legislation we need Counsel Imlay to advise us whether this action would negatively affect our status as a 501(c) (3) organization. -----Original Message----- From: w5jbp(a)aol.com [mailto:w5jbp@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:59 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:12820] Re: NWS - Senate Bill 786 I agree. This bill is totally self-serving and we should come out against it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tom Frenaye <frenaye(a)pcnet.com> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:34:34 -0400 Subject: [arrl-odv:12802] NWS - Senate Bill 786 I thought we spent a little time at the recent Board meeting talking about Senate Bill 786 (regarding weather information), introduced by Senator Santorum. Couldn't find any reference to it in the minutes so I guess it was a brief mention - perhaps in John Chwat's presentation. I guess the bottom line was that we (John, Chris, etc) didn't think there was a real chance if it becoming law, so we didn't take any action. I'm second-guessing that now after reading an article about it in Information World: http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle. <http://www.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=165702845> jhtml?articleID=165702845 I also believe we have a lot of members who find our association with the NWS to be very positive (and vice versa). I think it'd be a good move for us to publicly state that we do not support S.786. -- Tom ===== e-mail: k1ki(a)arrl.org <mailto:k1ki%40arrl.org> ARRL New England Division Director http://www.arrl.org/ Tom Frenaye, K1KI, P O Box J, West Suffield CT 06093 Phone: 860-668-5444

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RE: [arrl-odv:12830] Re: Guess what
by Jim K8JE 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Dave, I'm just expressing frustration over the recalcitrant nature I happen to continue to see in our system. The greater the degree to which an information search system must be fed information before it retrieves useful output, the less the practical value of the system. For example, providing information on the 2001 ARRL 10 M contest when I had requested "election" information during "2005" seems to indicate the system is about as still as useless as mammary glands on a boar. At best it suggests the system is as user-friendly as was Attila the Hun to his captives. (Pardon my intended hyperbolism.) When are we going to have a system that operates in a manner that will reflect positively on our technologically-progressive organization? Conversely, should the question be, "Will we ever . . .?" Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; http://www.arrl.org/ 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:27 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:12830] Re: Guess what Jim, I'm not sure what point you're making. If it is to propose that Bylaw 18 be amended, it is certainly possible to formulate an amendment for January. 73, Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Weaver, Jim K8JE (DIR, GL) Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:19 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:12829] Guess what Desiring a respite from the important things in ham life and wishing to be reminded of everything that has been published in QST or on our web site, I decided to do a search of arrl.org for "2006-2008 division elections." Sure enough, within a couple of seconds the search results appeared. One item was found. It was; 1. 2000 <http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf> ARRL 10-Meter Contest Results [0.020%] [PDF] ... were also a total of 39 new ARRL/RAC division records set during the event. Phone ... Operator stations that set new ARRL Division records in their categories: Mixed QRP ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/200... <http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf> - 162789 bytes [application/pdf] - Fri, 27 Jul 2001, 11:12:16 EDT Reasoning that the search engine must want me to ask for 2005 elections I revised the search to "2005 division elections." Sure enough, I promptly saw: 1. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/> The ARRL Letter [4.878%] ... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... completing his second year as Pacific Division Vice Director. In the Southeastern ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/ - 33643 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 19:03:36 EST 2. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html> W1AW Bulletin ARLB049 (2001) [4.878%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html> - 7803 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 16:57:09 EST 3. ARRLWeb: ARRL <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1> VT Section [2.922%] ... Clubs Other sections New England Division Back to Section Page Monthly Section News Summaries May 2005 April 2005 February 2005 January 2005 December 2004 October 2004 September ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?... <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1> - 9601 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 17 Jun 2005, 22:59:38 EDT 4. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html> W1AW Bulletin ARLB100 (1998) [0.865%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... Keplerian . Propagation ARLB100: ARRL elections SB QST @ ARL $ARLB100 ARLB100 ARRL elections ZCZC AG01 QST de W1AW ARRL Bulletin ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html> - 6617 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 13:49:55 EST 5. ARRLWeb: ARRL In <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1> Action: What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.860%] ... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 30, 2005 This feature--including convenient Web ... Radio Spectrum Protection Act of 2005 into the Senate. ARRL President Jim ... Communications Conference (GAREC 2005) in his capacity as Region 2 President ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1> - 8632 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 2. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/> - 8632 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 6. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/> Minutes of the 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors [0.831%] ... Minutes of the 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors January 21-22, 2005 Summary Agenda 1. Roll Call 2. Moment ... Articles of Association and Bylaws 7. Elections 8. Consideration of recommendations of ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/ - 35778 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 28 Jan 2005, 15:52:24 EST 7. ARRLWeb: Minutes of the <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html> Executive Committee, Number 475 [0.816%] ... COMMITTEE Denver Colorado -- April 9, 2005 Pursuant to due notice, the Executive ... met at 8:40 AM MDT, Saturday, April 9, 2005, at the Denver Airport Marriott at ... D. Imlay, W3KD, and Midwest Division Vice Director Bruce Frahm, K0BJ, at ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_... <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html> - 28079 bytes [text/html] - Tue, 26 Apr 2005, 10:07:19 EDT 8. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html> W1AW General Bulletins for 1998 [0.677%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... QRT 04-Dec-1998 ARLB104 Northwestern Division Director Mary Lou Brown, NM7N, SK ... results 20-Nov-1998 ARLB100 ARRL elections 16-Nov-1998 ARLB099 FCC call sign ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html - 17004 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 09:45:52 EST 9. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html> W1AW Bulletin ARLB006 (2000) [0.640%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... . Propagation ARLB006: ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion SB QST @ ARL $ARLB006 ARLB006 ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion ZCZC AG06 ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html> - 7047 bytes [text/html] - Sun, 19 Mar 2000, 11:58:03 EST 10. ARRLWeb: ARRL In Action: <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/> What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.603%] ... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 1, 2005 This feature--including convenient Web ... HQ for two contested Section Manager elections. Six incumbent SMs did not face ... its slate of scholarship winners for 2005. The 2005 Goldfarb Scholarship was ... 1. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/> - 6402 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 2. http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/?nc=1> - 6402 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST Searching for "2005-8 division election announcements" I found a variety of reports on BoD meetings, l primarily. After this, I "turned the computer off" and went looking for my QSTs while thanking HPM for making this great new IT system available to us and our members. Geez! Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; http://www.arrl.org/ 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is!

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[arrl-odv:12830] Re: Guess what
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Jim, I'm not sure what point you're making. If it is to propose that Bylaw 18 be amended, it is certainly possible to formulate an amendment for January. 73, Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Weaver, Jim K8JE (DIR, GL) Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:19 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:12829] Guess what Desiring a respite from the important things in ham life and wishing to be reminded of everything that has been published in QST or on our web site, I decided to do a search of arrl.org for "2006-2008 division elections." Sure enough, within a couple of seconds the search results appeared. One item was found. It was; 1. 2000 <http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf> ARRL 10-Meter Contest Results [0.020%] [PDF] ... were also a total of 39 new ARRL/RAC division records set during the event. Phone ... Operator stations that set new ARRL Division records in their categories: Mixed QRP ... * http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/200... <http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf> - 162789 bytes [application/pdf] - Fri, 27 Jul 2001, 11:12:16 EDT Reasoning that the search engine must want me to ask for 2005 elections I revised the search to "2005 division elections." Sure enough, I promptly saw: 1. ARRLWeb: The ARRL Letter <http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/> [4.878%] ... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... completing his second year as Pacific Division Vice Director. In the Southeastern ... * http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/ - 33643 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 19:03:36 EST 2. ARRLWeb: W1AW Bulletin <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html> ARLB049 (2001) [4.878%] 2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... * http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html> - 7803 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 16:57:09 EST 3. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1> ARRL VT Section [2.922%] ... Clubs Other sections New England Division Back to Section Page Monthly Section News Summaries May 2005 April 2005 February 2005 January 2005 December 2004 October 2004 September ... * http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?... <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1> - 9601 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 17 Jun 2005, 22:59:38 EDT 4. ARRLWeb: W1AW Bulletin <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html> ARLB100 (1998) [0.865%] 2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... Keplerian · Propagation ARLB100: ARRL elections SB QST @ ARL $ARLB100 ARLB100 ARRL elections ZCZC AG01 QST de W1AW ARRL Bulletin ... * http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html> - 6617 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 13:49:55 EST 5. ARRLWeb: ARRL In <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1> Action: What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.860%] ... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 30, 2005 This feature--including convenient Web ... Radio Spectrum Protection Act of 2005 into the Senate. ARRL President Jim ... Communications Conference (GAREC 2005) in his capacity as Region 2 President ... * http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1> - 8632 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST * http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/> - 8632 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 6. ARRLWeb: Minutes of the <http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/> 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors [0.831%] ... Minutes of the 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors January 21-22, 2005 Summary Agenda 1. Roll Call 2. Moment ... Articles of Association and Bylaws 7. Elections 8. Consideration of recommendations of ... * http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/ - 35778 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 28 Jan 2005, 15:52:24 EST 7. ARRLWeb: Minutes of <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html> the Executive Committee, Number 475 [0.816%] ... COMMITTEE Denver Colorado -- April 9, 2005 Pursuant to due notice, the Executive ... met at 8:40 AM MDT, Saturday, April 9, 2005, at the Denver Airport Marriott at ... D. Imlay, W3KD, and Midwest Division Vice Director Bruce Frahm, K0BJ, at ... * http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_... <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html> - 28079 bytes [text/html] - Tue, 26 Apr 2005, 10:07:19 EDT 8. ARRLWeb: W1AW General <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html> Bulletins for 1998 [0.677%] 2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... QRT 04-Dec-1998 ARLB104 Northwestern Division Director Mary Lou Brown, NM7N, SK ... results 20-Nov-1998 ARLB100 ARRL elections 16-Nov-1998 ARLB099 FCC call sign ... * http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html - 17004 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 09:45:52 EST 9. ARRLWeb: W1AW Bulletin <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html> ARLB006 (2000) [0.640%] 2005 bulletins: General · DX · ... · Propagation ARLB006: ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion SB QST @ ARL $ARLB006 ARLB006 ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion ZCZC AG06 ... * http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html> - 7047 bytes [text/html] - Sun, 19 Mar 2000, 11:58:03 EST 10. ARRLWeb: ARRL In <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/> Action: What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.603%] ... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 1, 2005 This feature--including convenient Web ... HQ for two contested Section Manager elections. Six incumbent SMs did not face ... its slate of scholarship winners for 2005. The 2005 Goldfarb Scholarship was ... * http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/> - 6402 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST * http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/?nc=1> - 6402 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST Searching for "2005-8 division election announcements" I found a variety of reports on BoD meetings, l primarily. After this, I "turned the computer off" and went looking for my QSTs while thanking HPM for making this great new IT system available to us and our members. Geez! Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; http://www.arrl.org/ 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is!

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[arrl-odv:12829] Guess what
by Jim K8JE 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

Desiring a respite from the important things in ham life and wishing to be reminded of everything that has been published in QST or on our web site, I decided to do a search of arrl.org for "2006-2008 division elections." Sure enough, within a couple of seconds the search results appeared. One item was found. It was; 1. 2000 <http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf> ARRL 10-Meter Contest Results [0.020%] [PDF] ... were also a total of 39 new ARRL/RAC division records set during the event. Phone ... Operator stations that set new ARRL Division records in their categories: Mixed QRP ... * http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/200... <http://www.arrl.org/contests/results/2000/2000-10-meter-results.pdf> - 162789 bytes [application/pdf] - Fri, 27 Jul 2001, 11:12:16 EDT Reasoning that the search engine must want me to ask for 2005 elections I revised the search to "2005 division elections." Sure enough, I promptly saw: 1. ARRLWeb: The ARRL <http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/> Letter [4.878%] ... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... completing his second year as Pacific Division Vice Director. In the Southeastern ... * http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/01/1116/ - 33643 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 19:03:36 EST 2. ARRLWeb: W1AW <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html> Bulletin ARLB049 (2001) [4.878%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... in three ARRL divisions for the 2002-2005 term. The Committee of Tellers has ... the results of these contested elections. In the Pacific Division incumbent ... * http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2001-arlb049.html> - 7803 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 16 Nov 2001, 16:57:09 EST 3. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1> ARRL VT Section [2.922%] ... Clubs Other sections New England Division Back to Section Page Monthly Section News Summaries May 2005 April 2005 February 2005 January 2005 December 2004 October 2004 September ... * http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?... <http://www.arrl.org/sections/index.html?sect=VT&monthly=1> - 9601 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 17 Jun 2005, 22:59:38 EDT 4. ARRLWeb: W1AW <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html> Bulletin ARLB100 (1998) [0.865%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... Keplerian . Propagation ARLB100: ARRL elections SB QST @ ARL $ARLB100 ARLB100 ARRL elections ZCZC AG01 QST de W1AW ARRL Bulletin ... * http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-arlb100.html> - 6617 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 13:49:55 EST 5. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1> ARRL In Action: What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.860%] ... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 30, 2005 This feature--including convenient Web ... Radio Spectrum Protection Act of 2005 into the Senate. ARRL President Jim ... Communications Conference (GAREC 2005) in his capacity as Region 2 President ... * http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/?nc=1> - 8632 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST * http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/30/1/> - 8632 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST 6. ARRLWeb: Minutes <http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/> of the 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors [0.831%] ... Minutes of the 2005 Annual Meeting ARRL Board of Directors January 21-22, 2005 Summary Agenda 1. Roll Call 2. Moment ... Articles of Association and Bylaws 7. Elections 8. Consideration of recommendations of ... * http://www.arrl.org/announce/board-0501/ - 35778 bytes [text/html] - Fri, 28 Jan 2005, 15:52:24 EST 7. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html> Minutes of the Executive Committee, Number 475 [0.816%] ... COMMITTEE Denver Colorado -- April 9, 2005 Pursuant to due notice, the Executive ... met at 8:40 AM MDT, Saturday, April 9, 2005, at the Denver Airport Marriott at ... D. Imlay, W3KD, and Midwest Division Vice Director Bruce Frahm, K0BJ, at ... * http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_... <http://www.arrl.org/announce/ec_minutes_476.html> - 28079 bytes [text/html] - Tue, 26 Apr 2005, 10:07:19 EDT 8. ARRLWeb: W1AW <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html> General Bulletins for 1998 [0.677%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... QRT 04-Dec-1998 ARLB104 Northwestern Division Director Mary Lou Brown, NM7N, SK ... results 20-Nov-1998 ARLB100 ARRL elections 16-Nov-1998 ARLB099 FCC call sign ... * http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/1998-index.html - 17004 bytes [text/html] - Thu, 31 Dec 1998, 09:45:52 EST 9. ARRLWeb: W1AW <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html> Bulletin ARLB006 (2000) [0.640%] 2005 bulletins: General . DX . ... . Propagation ARLB006: ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion SB QST @ ARL $ARLB006 ARLB006 ARRL Officer Elections Set Musical Chairs in Motion ZCZC AG06 ... * http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.ht... <http://www.arrl.org/w1aw/2000-arlb006.html> - 7047 bytes [text/html] - Sun, 19 Mar 2000, 11:58:03 EST 10. ARRLWeb: <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/> ARRL In Action: What Have We Been Up To Lately? [0.603%] ... Editor jkleinman(a)arrl.org June 1, 2005 This feature--including convenient Web ... HQ for two contested Section Manager elections. Six incumbent SMs did not face ... its slate of scholarship winners for 2005. The 2005 Goldfarb Scholarship was ... * http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/> - 6402 bytes [text/html] - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST * http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/0... <http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2005/06/01/2/?nc=1> - 6402 bytes - Wed, 31 Dec 1969, 19:00:00 EST Searching for "2005-8 division election announcements" I found a variety of reports on BoD meetings, l primarily. After this, I "turned the computer off" and went looking for my QSTs while thanking HPM for making this great new IT system available to us and our members. Geez! Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL; http://www.arrl.org/ 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is!

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[arrl-odv:12828] FCC appointments coming?
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

This article says the likely nominees to fill the Powell and soon-to-be Abernathy vacancies on the FCC are Deborah Tate of Tennessee and Richard Russell at the White House. http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA630888.html?display=Breaking+New… Messrs. Haynie, Imlay and Rinaldo met with Russell on May 20, 2004 to express our concerns about BPL. See http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/05/21/4/ Dave K1ZZ

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[arrl-odv:12827] Fwd: BREAKING NEWS: Russell, Tate Poised for FCC Nods
by BFITPC＠aol.com 29 Jul '05

29 Jul '05

This is from Broadcasting and Cable. It may not be reliable, but for what it is worth... 73, Chris > > Russell, Tate Poised for FCC Nods > > By John Eggerton & Bill McConnell > Broadcasting & Cable > 7/29/2005 11:02 AM > > According to several sources, the White House is said to be preparing to > nominate Tennessee regulatory utility commissioner Deborah Tate and > administration technology-policy adviser Richard Russell to fill the one vacant and one > soon-to-be-vacant Republican seats on the Federal Communications Commission. > > It is not yet a done deal, but the nods could come as early as late Friday. > > For more, click below (no subscription required) . . . > > http://email.BroadcastingCable.com/cgi-bin2/DM/y/em1z0G5S8U0Olt0CX4Z0At > > >

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