April 2004 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[ARRL-ODV:10402] Minutes of Executive Committee Meeting, March 13, 2004
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 04 Apr '04

04 Apr '04

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[ARRL-ODV:10401] Re: LF reconsideration denied
by W3KD＠aol.com 02 Apr '04

02 Apr '04

In a message dated 4/1/2004 6:33:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, frenaye(a)pcnet.com writes: > > > I strongly recommend that you read the FCC document Dave refers to at the > bottom. It includes all of the "logic" necessary for the FCC to allow Part 15 > over licensed services - such as BPL. Very discouraging... > > -- Tom > Tom, I think that LF PLC is not a plain vanilla Part 15 type concept, because there is a footnote in the table of allocations that deals with it. It has slightly more "entitlement" if you will than regular old Part 15 in other bands. So, it is a bit harder to make this a model for Part 15 over licensed services than it might seem. Chris

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[ARRL-ODV:10400] Re: Fwd; BPL
by James Weaver 02 Apr '04

02 Apr '04

Dick, Don't expect me to disagree with you! AMATEUR RADIO: The only fail-safe communications system in the world. ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio is! Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040-9660, Tel. 513-459-0142, E-mail <mailto:k8je@arrl.org> k8je(a)arrl.org

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[ARRL-ODV:10399] Re: LF reconsideration denied
by Tom Frenaye 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

I strongly recommend that you read the FCC document Dave refers to at the bottom. It includes all of the "logic" necessary for the FCC to allow Part 15 over licensed services - such as BPL. Very discouraging... -- Tom At 12:03 PM 4/1/2004, K1ZZ wrote: >Just for the record, yesterday the FCC released its denial of W6EM's petition for reconsideration of the Commission's denial of our request for an amateur LF allocation. > >The denial of the petition for reconsideration was inevitable, since the petitioner did not offer any new information (nor could we have, which is why we did not petition for reconsideration). > >The right way to pursue an LF allocation from this point forward is to continue to assist amateurs in obtaining experimental licenses or special temporary authorizations, and perhaps to consider alternatives outside the frequency range used by PLC systems. > >Here is the reference. > >Dave K1ZZ > >AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 97 OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES TO CREATE A LOW >FREQUENCY ALLOCATION FOR THE AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE. Denied the >Petition for Reconsideration filed by Mr. W. Lee McVey. (Dkt No. 02-98). Action by: the Commission. Adopted: 03/24/2004 by MO&O. (FCC No. 04-71). OET <<<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-71A1.doc>http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-71A1.doc>> > ><<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-71A1.pdf>> ><<<http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-71A1.txt>http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-71A1.txt>> ===== e-mail: k1ki(a)arrl.org ARRL New England Division Director http://www.arrl.org/ Tom Frenaye, K1KI, P O Box J, West Suffield CT 06093 Phone: 860-668-5444

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[ARRL-ODV:10398] Re: Fwd; BPL
by dick＠pobox.com 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

1 APR, 2004 - 1615 CST Hello Jim... I'm a Republican died-in-the-wool believer in free enterprise. But, in view of several things the current occupant of the White House is doing/has done to our economy and our environment, I would amend your observation to read as follows... BPL may represent regulation at its worst. On the other hand, it is unbridled, greedy, damn-the-consumer, entrepreneurialism at nearly its best.

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[ARRL-ODV:10397] Re: Fwd: BPL
by James Weaver 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

BPL may represent regulation at its worst. On the other hand, it is entrepreneurialism at nearly its best. Jim W. AMATEUR RADIO: The only fail-safe communications system in the world. ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio is! Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040-9660, Tel. 513-459-0142, E-mail <mailto:k8je@arrl.org> k8je(a)arrl.org

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[ARRL-ODV:10396] Re: Fwd: BPL
by Andy Oppel 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

Obviously they are just as determined as they were on the media ownership issue. I guess the power companies see dollar signs when they consider competing against the cable and phone companies for broadband. But I don't see enough margins from them to do much at all. The big winners will be the companies that sell their technology rights and all the hardware. Once they ship the goods and collect on the invoices, it doesn't matter whether it works or not -- they'll have their money. That has to be the real driving force here. == Andy Oppel At 12:39 PM 4/1/2004, you wrote: >Henry, > >Well, I guess you know better than I do. BPL is just getting too far >along with all the known drawbacks that it brings. FCC seems unstoppable >on this one. Imagine all these things on power poles that don't work. > >Howie, K9KM >-----Original Message----- >From: Henry R. Leggette [mailto:wd4q@bellsouth.net] >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:11 PM >To: arrl-odv >Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10387] Re: Fwd: BPL > >Howie, > >Now that really sounds like a government agency project. > >Henry - WD4Q >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:Howard.Huntington@motorola.com>Huntington Howard-CADV02 >To: <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>arrl-odv >Cc: <mailto:w1rfi@arrl.org>w1rfi(a)arrl.org ; <mailto:w3kd@aol.com>w3kd(a)aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:39 PM >Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10383] Re: Fwd: BPL > >Seems like history is trying to repeat itself with BPL. > >Suck in investors to deploy lots of BPL and then discover it does not work >and dump it. > >Howie, K9KM > >-----Original Message----- >From: <mailto:dick@pobox.com>dick(a)pobox.com [mailto:dick@pobox.com] >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:13 AM >To: arrl-odv >Cc: <mailto:w1rfi@arrl.org>w1rfi(a)arrl.org; <mailto:w3kd@aol.com>w3kd(a)aol.com >Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10378] Fwd: BPL > >31 MAR, 2004 - 1100 CST > >I've know about the extremely large quantity of "dark" fiber optic >cable for years. I guess I'm one of the insiders mentioned in the >book below as I sold my small stock holding before the bubble burst. > >Anyhow, for those of you who want to learn more, here is a copy of >the email I received earlier today. Please keep in mind this story >is primarily about trunk fiber optic cable as opposed to fiber optic >cable to each home and business. But it's a start for an alternative >to BPL. > >73 - Dick, W9GIG > >===================================================================== >From: w9yz(a)webtv.net (Ron & Milly Williams) >Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:36:29 -0500 (EST) >To: W9GIG(a)arrl.org >Subject: BPL >Message-ID: <9719-406AE57D-143(a)storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net> >Content-Disposition: Inline >Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit >MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) >Return-Path: w9yz(a)webtv.net > > >Dear Mr. Isely, > >I believe fiber optics is the place for transmission of data rather than >powerlines. A recent book indicates there are vast amounts of unused >fiber in existence. Short quotes: "...the world is crisscrossed with >fiber that is unlikely to be used for decades... ...cables as thick as a >full grown Python lie dormant across the oceans... ...about 80 million >miles of optical fiber was installed in the USA in the six years between >1996 and 2001." > >Much of this was done by companies which by using publicity and tricky >accounting sucked millions of investors into buying stock pressing the >prices up. Then the insiders dumped their stock, making big profits, and >let it die. > >The name of the book is BROADBANDITS by Om Malik >Published by John Wiley & Sons, Inc of Hoboken, NJ. >ISBN 0-471-43405-1 > >Mr. Malik goes into detail on the history of this subject. Cable TV in >the Indianapolis area has messed up some of our ham repeaters at times >due to faulty amplifiers and leaky connectors. The thought of BPL in >all neighborhoods suggests the end of ham radio, both from BPL signals >raising the noise levels and BPL users receiving unwanted RF from hams >and demanding that we be kicked off the air. Please forgive me if >everyone already knows the above. If not possibly the book would >provide useful information to you and others at ARRL in the efforts to >prevent our power lines being used as antennas. > >73, Ronald C. Williams, W9YZ >Life Member ARRL. > >Licensed 54 years. Retired owner of Avatar Magnetics. >Some of my transformer designs were carried in the parts lists of the >power supply chapters of the ARRL handbooks 1984-2000.

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[ARRL-ODV:10394] Re: Fwd: BPL
by Huntington Howard-CADV02 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

Henry, Well, I guess you know better than I do. BPL is just getting too far along with all the known drawbacks that it brings. FCC seems unstoppable on this one. Imagine all these things on power poles that don't work. Howie, K9KM -----Original Message----- From: Henry R. Leggette [mailto:wd4q@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:11 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10387] Re: Fwd: BPL Howie, Now that really sounds like a government agency project. Henry - WD4Q ----- Original Message ----- From: Huntington Howard-CADV02 <mailto:Howard.Huntington@motorola.com> To: arrl-odv <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Cc: w1rfi(a)arrl.org <mailto:w1rfi@arrl.org> ; w3kd(a)aol.com <mailto:w3kd@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10383] Re: Fwd: BPL Seems like history is trying to repeat itself with BPL. Suck in investors to deploy lots of BPL and then discover it does not work and dump it. Howie, K9KM -----Original Message----- From: dick(a)pobox.com <mailto:dick@pobox.com> [mailto:dick@pobox.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:13 AM To: arrl-odv Cc: w1rfi(a)arrl.org <mailto:w1rfi@arrl.org> ; w3kd(a)aol.com <mailto:w3kd@aol.com> Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10378] Fwd: BPL 31 MAR, 2004 - 1100 CST I've know about the extremely large quantity of "dark" fiber optic cable for years. I guess I'm one of the insiders mentioned in the book below as I sold my small stock holding before the bubble burst. Anyhow, for those of you who want to learn more, here is a copy of the email I received earlier today. Please keep in mind this story is primarily about trunk fiber optic cable as opposed to fiber optic cable to each home and business. But it's a start for an alternative to BPL. 73 - Dick, W9GIG ===================================================================== From: w9yz(a)webtv.net (Ron & Milly Williams) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:36:29 -0500 (EST) To: W9GIG(a)arrl.org Subject: BPL Message-ID: <9719-406AE57D-143(a)storefull-3291.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Return-Path: w9yz(a)webtv.net Dear Mr. Isely, I believe fiber optics is the place for transmission of data rather than powerlines. A recent book indicates there are vast amounts of unused fiber in existence. Short quotes: "...the world is crisscrossed with fiber that is unlikely to be used for decades... ...cables as thick as a full grown Python lie dormant across the oceans... ...about 80 million miles of optical fiber was installed in the USA in the six years between 1996 and 2001." Much of this was done by companies which by using publicity and tricky accounting sucked millions of investors into buying stock pressing the prices up. Then the insiders dumped their stock, making big profits, and let it die. The name of the book is BROADBANDITS by Om Malik Published by John Wiley & Sons, Inc of Hoboken, NJ. ISBN 0-471-43405-1 Mr. Malik goes into detail on the history of this subject. Cable TV in the Indianapolis area has messed up some of our ham repeaters at times due to faulty amplifiers and leaky connectors. The thought of BPL in all neighborhoods suggests the end of ham radio, both from BPL signals raising the noise levels and BPL users receiving unwanted RF from hams and demanding that we be kicked off the air. Please forgive me if everyone already knows the above. If not possibly the book would provide useful information to you and others at ARRL in the efforts to prevent our power lines being used as antennas. 73, Ronald C. Williams, W9YZ Life Member ARRL. Licensed 54 years. Retired owner of Avatar Magnetics. Some of my transformer designs were carried in the parts lists of the power supply chapters of the ARRL handbooks 1984-2000.

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[ARRL-ODV:10393] Re: Today is April 1
by Joel Harrison 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

Andy, Thanks for the tip. To quote an oldie "My bags are packed, I'm ready to go". I've always wanted to try MEM (Moon-Earth-Moon)! I shouldn't have any trouble adapting. I'm a straight coffee guy, no lattes, can miss the Sopranos but not Law & Order, and get by everyday at work without a steady supply of oxygen - the people surrounding me are only capable of wasting it !!!!! 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: Andy Oppel [mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:32 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10392] Re: Today is April 1 Joel - Here's a cool job you can apply for. Why fool with moon bounce when you can get paid to live there? http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html Google Copernicus Center is hiring

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[ARRL-ODV:10392] Re: Today is April 1
by Andy Oppel 01 Apr '04

01 Apr '04

Joel - Here's a cool job you can apply for. Why fool with moon bounce when you can get paid to live there? http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html Google Copernicus Center is hiring At 09:23 AM 4/1/2004, you wrote: >If you hadn't mentioned that I probably would have taken a big fall >today.....the date hadn't clicked with me yet. I'll have my guard up. > >It's not as bad as Friday the 13th. I'm fine until someone reminds me of >it then I'm a darn basket case the rest of the day. > >73 Joel W5ZN > >p.s. Yes, I am superstitious, but only regarding black cats, walking under >ladders, and Friday the 13th, and the FCC.....I have facts to back it up. >-----Original Message----- >From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:46 AM >To: arrl-odv >Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10388] Today is April 1 > >Sorry for stating the obvious, but some of our radio amateur brethren seem >to be incredibly gullible: today is April Fool's Day and there are at >least two, probably more, wholly fanciful news releases in circulation >about amateur radio and BPL. > >Dave

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