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[ARRL-ODV:10027] Re: RE Committee Renaming Proposal
by Dennis Bodson 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

Dave: I agree with the change. Dennis _____ From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:37 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10021] Re: RE Committee Renaming Proposal The intent on Thursday afternoon was that the committee be named Programs and Member Services. The word "Member" was inserted during the discussion and that is how it appears in the newly adopted Bylaw 38. Ordinarily I'm a stickler for not making "corrections" to Articles and Bylaws once they're adopted. That would mean, unless there was a Special Meeting of the Board called to deal with this weighty issue, that Bylaw 38 would remain as amended until July. However, there is an inconsistency between Bylaw 38 and Bylaw 40, where the word "Member" was NOT inserted. Since the proposed amendments were not read out orally to the assembly at the time they were proposed, it is quite possible that a Board member, looking at Bylaw 40, might not have been aware of the proposed wording of Bylaw 38. Therefore, and because the Minutes have not yet been published, as Secretary I am amenable to resolving the inconsistency either way. I would suggest dropping the word "Member" from Bylaw 38. Not all of the services listed in Bylaw 40 are limited to members. If any Board member objects to this, please let me know ASAP. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Bellows, John (Dir, Dakota) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10019] RE Committee Renaming Proposal Joel is correct, In the discussion on Thursday evening I suggested that the committee name change shouldn't suggest any decreased attention to Member Services. If the Board is of a mind that P&MS or another version without the ampersand will bother some members, let's change the name. Perhaps we ought remind ourselves that the Field and Educational Services Department abbreviation when spoken is phonetically "Effen E Ess." Say that fast 3 times. Is this really worth all the email traffic? If so, let's just change the name and move on. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Joel Harrison [mailto:w5zn@arrl.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:02 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10018] Re: Committee Renaming Proposal The original name was "Programs & Services". When President Haynie assigned Director Bellows on behalf of A&F, and me on behalf of the Executive Committee to work out a compromise Thursday evening, Jay wanted to add "Member" to the name. So, that was added to the motion that was presented to the board. I have no personal feeling either way. The committee will still do what the board has assigned regardless of what we call it..... P&S Committee or P&MS Committee. Programs & Services works fine for me. 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: Wade Walstrom [mailto:walstrom@mchsi.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:29 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10015] Re: Committee Renaming Proposal "Programs and Services" works for me. 73, Wade W0EJ K5ur(a)aol.com wrote: > Wade: > > The original EC proposal called it "Programs and Services" and according to > the info Dave sent out in the notice of Bylaw changes back on December 19, > 2003, the A & F proposal also called it "Programs and Services." However, looking > at the Board motion that was passed out at the meeting, the Combined Committee > Proposal, it is called "Programs and Member Services." > > Hum...... somehow that word "Member" got in there along the way. > > Wade does bring up a good point about calling it "Member Services and > Programs." Not a bad idea perhaps, or maybe we should go back to "Programs and > Services." I could go with either. > > 73, > Rick - K5UR > >

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[ARRL-ODV:10026] Fwd: LISCENE??????????????????????????/
by dick＠pobox.com 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

21 JAN, 2004 - 1200 CST The email appended below ended up on Rick Lindquist's desk. He made a nice generic response. I thought you all should know the Central Division does have its share of "extreme believers". I left in the original formatting so you could receive the "full flavor" of this message. I have also appended this person's ARRL membership records. However, I suggest you do not call him unless you have fire proof ears. 73 - Dick, W9GIG ======================================================================= Subject: RE: LISCENE??????????????????????????/ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:34:53 -0500 Message-ID: <721D3436A7C2B344A301FD4A413C71A902568265(a)kosh.arrlhq.org> From: "Lindquist, Rick, N1RL" <n1rl(a)arrl.org> To: <k9huh(a)icss.net> Cc: "Isely, Dick (Dir, Central)" <grisely(a)speakeasy.net> Return-Path: n1rl(a)arrl.org Thanks for writing to share your unique perspective with us, Ted. In any case, we do appreciate your membership in ARRL. 73 Rick N1RL ======================================================================= From: TED & JOYCE [<mailto:k9huh@icss.net>mailto:k9huh@icss.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 7:24 PM To: awextra Subject: LISCENE??????????????????????????/ This board is to represent the amatuer comunity or so I thought??????????when is the radio industry gonna finish buying these guys off just like a politiciian????????makes ya wanna puke........What a DUMMING DOWN just like soceity gimee gimee gimee.........when will the average american and a ham in this case say enough is enough.....Probably when licsences are packed i with that new $2000.00 radio and someone like Hitler appears again to show us all what fools we are.....(OPPPS HE IS ALREADY HERE AND SOME DO'T REALIZE THAT COMMIES HAVE TAKEN OVER)............ K9HUH "huh" ======================================================================= Ted E Wilhelm, K9HUH (E) 2845 Mulligan Ln Belleville, IL 62220-5011 USA Phone: (618) 233-1313 (D), (618) 235-6152 (N) DOB: 1946-08-23 Div: Central Sect: Illinois (IL) Membership: Status=A Type=Full Regular (F0) Expires=2005-02-28 (Active member) Data from Members Only Web site (record last updated 20-Jan-2004): username: K9HUH email: k9huh(a)icss.net (k9huh(a)arrl.net is an alias) Member is signed up for Division/Section email bulletins. Related records: <http://www.arrl.org/members-only/ODV/memlook.html?id=0001674849>Joyce A Wilhelm, N9STL (0001674849) [Active]

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[ARRL-ODV:10025] Re: RE Committee Renaming Proposal
by dick＠pobox.com 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

21 JAN, 2004 - 1105 CST I vote to eliminate the word "Member" from the new committee name. 73 - Dick, W9GIG

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[ARRL-ODV:10024] Re: RE Committee Renaming Proposal
by walstrom＠mchsi.com 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

Hi Dave! Drop "Member". Thanks. 73, Wade W0EJ > The intent on Thursday afternoon was that the committee be named Programs and > Member Services. The word "Member" was inserted during the discussion and that > is how it appears in the newly adopted Bylaw 38. > > Ordinarily I'm a stickler for not making "corrections" to Articles and Bylaws > once they're adopted. That would mean, unless there was a Special Meeting of the > Board called to deal with this weighty issue, that Bylaw 38 would remain as > amended until July. However, there is an inconsistency between Bylaw 38 and > Bylaw 40, where the word "Member" was NOT inserted. Since the proposed > amendments were not read out orally to the assembly at the time they were > proposed, it is quite possible that a Board member, looking at Bylaw 40, might > not have been aware of the proposed wording of Bylaw 38. > > Therefore, and because the Minutes have not yet been published, as Secretary I > am amenable to resolving the inconsistency either way. I would suggest dropping > the word "Member" from Bylaw 38. Not all of the services listed in Bylaw 40 are > limited to members. > > If any Board member objects to this, please let me know ASAP. > > Dave K1ZZ > -----Original Message----- > From: Bellows, John (Dir, Dakota) > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:07 AM > To: arrl-odv > Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10019] RE Committee Renaming Proposal > > > Joel is correct, In the discussion on Thursday evening I suggested that the > committee name change shouldn't suggest any decreased attention to Member > Services. If the Board is of a mind that P&MS or another version without the > ampersand will bother some members, let's change the name. > > Perhaps we ought remind ourselves that the Field and Educational Services > Department abbreviation when spoken is phonetically "Effen E Ess." Say that fast > 3 times. Is this really worth all the email traffic? If so, let's just change > the name and move on. > > Jay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Harrison [mailto:w5zn@arrl.org] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:02 AM > To: arrl-odv > Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10018] Re: Committee Renaming Proposal > > The original name was "Programs & Services". When President Haynie assigned > Director Bellows on behalf of A&F, and me on behalf of the Executive > Committee to work out a compromise Thursday evening, Jay wanted to add > "Member" to the name. So, that was added to the motion that was presented to > the board. > > I have no personal feeling either way. The committee will still do what the > board has assigned regardless of what we call it..... P&S Committee or P&MS > Committee. > > Programs & Services works fine for me. > > 73 Joel W5ZN > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wade Walstrom [mailto:walstrom@mchsi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:29 PM > To: arrl-odv > Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10015] Re: Committee Renaming Proposal > > > "Programs and Services" works for me. > > 73, > > Wade W0EJ > > K5ur(a)aol.com wrote: > > > Wade: > > > > The original EC proposal called it "Programs and Services" and according > to > > the info Dave sent out in the notice of Bylaw changes back on December 19, > > 2003, the A & F proposal also called it "Programs and Services." However, > looking > > at the Board motion that was passed out at the meeting, the Combined > Committee > > Proposal, it is called "Programs and Member Services." > > > > Hum...... somehow that word "Member" got in there along the way. > > > > Wade does bring up a good point about calling it "Member Services and > > Programs." Not a bad idea perhaps, or maybe we should go back to "Programs > and > > Services." I could go with either. > > > > 73, > > Rick - K5UR > > > > > > > > > >

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[ARRL-ODV:10023] Re: RE Committee Renaming Proposal
by W3KD＠aol.com 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

In a message dated 1/21/2004 9:38:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, dsumner(a)arrl.org writes: > > Therefore, and because the Minutes have not yet been published, as Secretary > I am amenable to resolving the inconsistency either way. I would suggest > dropping the word "Member" from Bylaw 38. Not all of the services listed in > Bylaw 40 are limited to members. > > It seems to me that this is a reasonable construction of the language dichotomy, which is the "lowest common denominator" solution, used in legislative construction. chris

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[ARRL-ODV:10022] Re: RE Committee Renaming Proposal
by n5ok.ok＠att.net 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

Dave, Please make the change and lay this to rest! Coy -- ARRL West Gulf Division Director Coy Day, N5OK 20685 SW 29th St Union City, OK 73090-9726 n5ok(a)arrl.org 405-483-5632

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[ARRL-ODV:10021] Re: RE Committee Renaming Proposal
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

The intent on Thursday afternoon was that the committee be named Programs and Member Services. The word "Member" was inserted during the discussion and that is how it appears in the newly adopted Bylaw 38. Ordinarily I'm a stickler for not making "corrections" to Articles and Bylaws once they're adopted. That would mean, unless there was a Special Meeting of the Board called to deal with this weighty issue, that Bylaw 38 would remain as amended until July. However, there is an inconsistency between Bylaw 38 and Bylaw 40, where the word "Member" was NOT inserted. Since the proposed amendments were not read out orally to the assembly at the time they were proposed, it is quite possible that a Board member, looking at Bylaw 40, might not have been aware of the proposed wording of Bylaw 38. Therefore, and because the Minutes have not yet been published, as Secretary I am amenable to resolving the inconsistency either way. I would suggest dropping the word "Member" from Bylaw 38. Not all of the services listed in Bylaw 40 are limited to members. If any Board member objects to this, please let me know ASAP. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Bellows, John (Dir, Dakota) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:07 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10019] RE Committee Renaming Proposal Joel is correct, In the discussion on Thursday evening I suggested that the committee name change shouldn't suggest any decreased attention to Member Services. If the Board is of a mind that P&MS or another version without the ampersand will bother some members, let's change the name. Perhaps we ought remind ourselves that the Field and Educational Services Department abbreviation when spoken is phonetically "Effen E Ess." Say that fast 3 times. Is this really worth all the email traffic? If so, let's just change the name and move on. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Joel Harrison [mailto:w5zn@arrl.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:02 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10018] Re: Committee Renaming Proposal The original name was "Programs & Services". When President Haynie assigned Director Bellows on behalf of A&F, and me on behalf of the Executive Committee to work out a compromise Thursday evening, Jay wanted to add "Member" to the name. So, that was added to the motion that was presented to the board. I have no personal feeling either way. The committee will still do what the board has assigned regardless of what we call it..... P&S Committee or P&MS Committee. Programs & Services works fine for me. 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: Wade Walstrom [mailto:walstrom@mchsi.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:29 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10015] Re: Committee Renaming Proposal "Programs and Services" works for me. 73, Wade W0EJ K5ur(a)aol.com wrote: > Wade: > > The original EC proposal called it "Programs and Services" and according to > the info Dave sent out in the notice of Bylaw changes back on December 19, > 2003, the A & F proposal also called it "Programs and Services." However, looking > at the Board motion that was passed out at the meeting, the Combined Committee > Proposal, it is called "Programs and Member Services." > > Hum...... somehow that word "Member" got in there along the way. > > Wade does bring up a good point about calling it "Member Services and > Programs." Not a bad idea perhaps, or maybe we should go back to "Programs and > Services." I could go with either. > > 73, > Rick - K5UR > >

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[ARRL-ODV:10020] Re: RE Committee Renaming Proposal
by Joel Harrison 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

During the Virginia SM debacle a few years ago I did say that fast, and many more than 3 times! Joel W5ZN Perhaps we ought remind ourselves that the Field and Educational Services Department abbreviation when spoken is phonetically Effen E Ess. Say that fast 3 times. Is this really worth all the email traffic? If so, lets just change the name and move on.

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[ARRL-ODV:10019] RE Committee Renaming Proposal
by John Bellows 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

Joel is correct, In the discussion on Thursday evening I suggested that the committee name change shouldnt suggest any decreased attention to Member Services. If the Board is of a mind that P&MS or another version without the ampersand will bother some members, lets change the name. Perhaps we ought remind ourselves that the Field and Educational Services Department abbreviation when spoken is phonetically Effen E Ess. Say that fast 3 times. Is this really worth all the email traffic? If so, lets just change the name and move on. Jay -----Original Message----- From: Joel Harrison [mailto:w5zn@arrl.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:02 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10018] Re: Committee Renaming Proposal The original name was "Programs & Services". When President Haynie assigned Director Bellows on behalf of A&F, and me on behalf of the Executive Committee to work out a compromise Thursday evening, Jay wanted to add "Member" to the name. So, that was added to the motion that was presented to the board. I have no personal feeling either way. The committee will still do what the board has assigned regardless of what we call it..... P&S Committee or P&MS Committee. Programs & Services works fine for me. 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: Wade Walstrom [mailto:walstrom@mchsi.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:29 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10015] Re: Committee Renaming Proposal "Programs and Services" works for me. 73, Wade W0EJ K5ur(a)aol.com wrote: > Wade: > > The original EC proposal called it "Programs and Services" and according to > the info Dave sent out in the notice of Bylaw changes back on December 19, > 2003, the A & F proposal also called it "Programs and Services." However, looking > at the Board motion that was passed out at the meeting, the Combined Committee > Proposal, it is called "Programs and Member Services." > > Hum...... somehow that word "Member" got in there along the way. > > Wade does bring up a good point about calling it "Member Services and > Programs." Not a bad idea perhaps, or maybe we should go back to "Programs and > Services." I could go with either. > > 73, > Rick - K5UR > >

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[ARRL-ODV:10018] Re: Committee Renaming Proposal
by Joel Harrison 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

The original name was "Programs & Services". When President Haynie assigned Director Bellows on behalf of A&F, and me on behalf of the Executive Committee to work out a compromise Thursday evening, Jay wanted to add "Member" to the name. So, that was added to the motion that was presented to the board. I have no personal feeling either way. The committee will still do what the board has assigned regardless of what we call it..... P&S Committee or P&MS Committee. Programs & Services works fine for me. 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: Wade Walstrom [mailto:walstrom@mchsi.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:29 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10015] Re: Committee Renaming Proposal "Programs and Services" works for me. 73, Wade W0EJ K5ur(a)aol.com wrote: > Wade: > > The original EC proposal called it "Programs and Services" and according to > the info Dave sent out in the notice of Bylaw changes back on December 19, > 2003, the A & F proposal also called it "Programs and Services." However, looking > at the Board motion that was passed out at the meeting, the Combined Committee > Proposal, it is called "Programs and Member Services." > > Hum...... somehow that word "Member" got in there along the way. > > Wade does bring up a good point about calling it "Member Services and > Programs." Not a bad idea perhaps, or maybe we should go back to "Programs and > Services." I could go with either. > > 73, > Rick - K5UR > >

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