May 2003 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[ARRL-ODV:8731] ARRL Banner
by Jim Weaver 12 May '03

12 May '03

To: All Some time back I said I was having an ARRL banner made locally. I was asked to take a photo of it and send it for the information of ODV. We in this Division have had the banner for a while and I finally got around to photographing it today. The banner is 6' w x 29' and cost $85.00. The dimensions were selected to fit the front of a typical 6' table. It has 3 grommets on each the top and the bottom to permit hanging with small rope. Gaffer's tape also works very well (I learned about this tape from SM NB4K). The basic banner is from vinyl impregnated fabric (a typical banner fabric) so it can be rolled lengthwise into a neat package of about 3" diameter. FYI. 73, Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director, Great Lakes Division k8je(a)arrl.org - Tel. 513-459-0142 ARRL -- The reason Amateur Radio is! GREAT LAKES DIVISION CONVENTION, September 6, 2003: See http://greatlakes.arrl.org

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[ARRL-ODV:8730] Re: K5UR
by K5ur＠aol.com 11 May '03

11 May '03

In a message dated 5/10/03 10:46:09 AM Central Daylight Time, nz6t(a)arrl.org writes: << Just received my copy of the DXCC yearbook, and noticed that Rick obtained the number 2 ranking of the DeSoto Challenge!!! Great job Rick!! >> ________________ Thanks Tuck! 73, Rick - K5UR

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[ARRL-ODV:8729] Re: Convention-hamfest date conflicts
by Jim Weaver 10 May '03

10 May '03

Greg, Yes, it is often difficult to handle understanding that we can't make up for the inherent stupidity or selfishness of others. GL, 73, Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director, Great Lakes Division k8je(a)arrl.org - Tel. 513-459-0142 ARRL -- The reason Amateur Radio is! GREAT LAKES DIVISION CONVENTION, September 6, 2003: See http://greatlakes.arrl.org

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[ARRL-ODV:8728] Re: Convention-hamfest date conflicts
by Greg Milnes 10 May '03

10 May '03

Thanks Jim. One of the problems I have is that the small hamfest is a regular one and they get in early to avoid conflicts. The newer one jusr came in and did not even consult with the web page re: other events the same day. I'm just angry. That will pass. 73/Greg W7OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Weaver To: arrl-odv Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:06 PM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:8722] Re: Convention-hamfest date conflicts Greg, To my understanding, the hamfest calendar kept by HQ is a non-controlling tool for hamfest sponsors to use to avoid TROUBLESOME conflicts. I guess I would not worry too much about a conflict between hamfests in two, separate Sections and I wouldn't necessarily withhold sanctions for a second hamfest within the same Section. I would, however, make certain that the sponsor of the conflicting event is aware of the conflict and the impact the conflict may have on them not only from the aspect of attendance, but also as regards vendors. For example, the "Louisville" Hamfest applied for approval well after the Great Lakes Division Convention was approved. At one time, the Louisville Hamfest was fairly large and was held (of all places) in Louisville. It now is quite small and is held some 50 or so miles south of Louisville. I expect it to have fairly minimal effect on the Division Convention and approved the Hamfest. Another point of consideration is the fact the day selected for the Convention is the day on which the Louisville Hamfest is usually held. The Hamfest folks concluded they could not/would not move. For what it may be worth. Good luck, 73, Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director, Great Lakes Division k8je(a)arrl.org - Tel. 513-459-0142 ARRL -- The reason Amateur Radio is! GREAT LAKES DIVISION CONVENTION, September 6, 2003: See http://greatlakes.arrl.org

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[ARRL-ODV:8727] Re: Convention-hamfest date conflicts
by Greg Milnes 10 May '03

10 May '03

Thanks for your info Kay. I appreciate it. I'm angry that the recent folks never bothered to check the web page to see if there were any other groups on that weekend. My anger will pass, the irritation will linger a bit longer. One of the problems is I just put out a newsletter decrying these conflicts and urging people to check with other groups. Thanks for allowing me to vent. 73/Greg W7OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Kay Craigie To: arrl-odv Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:8723] Re: Convention-hamfest date conflicts Greg - If you decline to approve the event, will that cause the sponsors not to have it? Or will they go ahead and have the event but be mad at the ARRL (and you) for not approving it? If the non-approved event flops, will they blame the fizzle on the ARRL's non-approval, instead of taking responsibility for their own choices? All they had to do was get QSTs from last year and look up the dates of events. Not rocket science! Other than informing people about date collisions, I don't know that there's much ARRL officials can do to control when sponsors schedule their events. We aren't in charge of their shows. Depending on when their sites are available for use, they may not have many options about scheduling. Depending on geography and demographics, date collisions may or may not be significant to the various sponsors in terms of buyer and vendor attendance. Ask yourself what the ARRL stands to gain / lose by the decision to approve or not approve. Both W3ABC and I just informed the groups that there was a collision of dates and provided contact person information in case the sponsors wanted to discuss the situation with each other. If the sponsors were committed to go ahead despite the collision, both Hugh and I approved whatever they chose to do. We couldn't see there was anything in it for the ARRL to decline to approve an event that was going to happen one way or the other. Of course, the Atlantic Division has 60-plus hamfests every year, and date collisions are not uncommon. It's something hamfest sponsors have learned to live with. Your results may vary! You know your members better than I do, of course, but my inclination would be to bless them all and let them skin their own skunks thereafter. 73 - Kay N3KN

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[ARRL-ODV:8726] K5UR
by Tuck Miller NZ6T 10 May '03

10 May '03

Just received my copy of the DXCC yearbook, and noticed that Rick obtained the number 2 ranking of the DeSoto Challenge!!! Great job Rick!!

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[ARRL-ODV:8725] Re: New feature at the National?
by Henry R. Leggette 10 May '03

10 May '03

Coy et al, I am very glad you and family are ok. I noticed the weather report from the Weather Bureau, a major part of the damage was in Moore, OK. I knew you were West of that location. I spent several, several weeks in Oklahoma and I recall seeing those tornados coming miles before arriving close by. I mostly stayed in Bethany, OK just North of Will Rogers International Airport/FAA Academy. Several tornados touched down in Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas and Missouri. In most cases they were 75 to 100 miles from me. Henry - WD4Q ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coy Day" <n5ok.ok(a)worldnet.att.net> To: "arrl-odv" <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:8719] Re: New feature at the National? > Kay et al, > > We do have conviction. Aren't spell checkers wander full! > > On the storm front, we were very fortunate that the tornado path was south > of us. My good friend Jim Hood, K5TT had his antennas destroyed and a tree > blown over on his house. He considered himself lucky in that some of his > neighbors' houses were leveled. > > Coy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kay Craigie" <wt3p(a)comcast.net> > To: "arrl-odv" <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:59 AM > Subject: [ARRL-ODV:8716] New feature at the National? > > > I have been reading the thread on QRZ.com about going to Dayton. It's > amazing how many people have suggested that Hamvention should be moved to > Indianapolis, Denver, Dallas ... and other cities that would be kind of a > stretch for the Dayton ARA to manage. As Yoda would say, "Get it, they do > not." > > But the best comment of all is from a gent in Texas who says he's going to > HamCom instead of Dayton: > > "WILL MAKE IT TO HAMCOM IT IS ONLY 65 MILES FROM ME AND THIS YEAR THE ARRL > CONVICTION WILL BE THERE. SHOULD BE BIGGER THIS YEAR WITH THAT GOING ON." > > No doubt! > > Will our VIP info packs include phone numbers for bail bondsmen? ;-) > 73 - Kay N3KN > > >

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[ARRL-ODV:8724] Re: Convention-hamfest date conflicts
by dick＠pobox.com 09 May '03

09 May '03

9 MAY, 2003 - 1615 CDT Hello Greg... I have had approval requests that have date conflicts. I use geographic separation, the interest groups the events are pitched to, and sometimes the projected event attendance, as decision-making criteria for ARRL approval. I have only turned down a couple of hamfests that are little more than a club meeting - such as an SSTV enthusiasts' dinner at a restaurant with a projected attendance of fifty people at best. But I do advise all parties of the conflict and sometimes one of them shifts their date - particularly if they are in close proximity to each other. Usually the lack of commercial vendors in these situations is what causes a date change. Virtually all of the vendors in this region will avoid appearing at two conventions/hamfests on the same date. There are frequent small hamfest date conflicts in the Central Division. If these hamfests are so small that commercial vendors are not a factor, then attendance is not a factor either for determining if there is a conflict. I will usually approve both of them. 73 - Dick, W9GIG

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[ARRL-ODV:8723] Re: Convention-hamfest date conflicts
by Kay Craigie 09 May '03

09 May '03

Greg - If you decline to approve the event, will that cause the sponsors not to have it? Or will they go ahead and have the event but be mad at the ARRL (and you) for not approving it? If the non-approved event flops, will they blame the fizzle on the ARRL's non-approval, instead of taking responsibility for their own choices? All they had to do was get QSTs from last year and look up the dates of events. Not rocket science! Other than informing people about date collisions, I don't know that there's much ARRL officials can do to control when sponsors schedule their events. We aren't in charge of their shows. Depending on when their sites are available for use, they may not have many options about scheduling. Depending on geography and demographics, date collisions may or may not be significant to the various sponsors in terms of buyer and vendor attendance. Ask yourself what the ARRL stands to gain / lose by the decision to approve or not approve. Both W3ABC and I just informed the groups that there was a collision of dates and provided contact person information in case the sponsors wanted to discuss the situation with each other. If the sponsors were committed to go ahead despite the collision, both Hugh and I approved whatever they chose to do. We couldn't see there was anything in it for the ARRL to decline to approve an event that was going to happen one way or the other. Of course, the Atlantic Division has 60-plus hamfests every year, and date collisions are not uncommon. It's something hamfest sponsors have learned to live with. Your results may vary! You know your members better than I do, of course, but my inclination would be to bless them all and let them skin their own skunks thereafter. 73 - Kay N3KN

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[ARRL-ODV:8722] Re: Convention-hamfest date conflicts
by Jim Weaver 09 May '03

09 May '03

Greg, To my understanding, the hamfest calendar kept by HQ is a non-controlling tool for hamfest sponsors to use to avoid TROUBLESOME conflicts. I guess I would not worry too much about a conflict between hamfests in two, separate Sections and I wouldn't necessarily withhold sanctions for a second hamfest within the same Section. I would, however, make certain that the sponsor of the conflicting event is aware of the conflict and the impact the conflict may have on them not only from the aspect of attendance, but also as regards vendors. For example, the "Louisville" Hamfest applied for approval well after the Great Lakes Division Convention was approved. At one time, the Louisville Hamfest was fairly large and was held (of all places) in Louisville. It now is quite small and is held some 50 or so miles south of Louisville. I expect it to have fairly minimal effect on the Division Convention and approved the Hamfest. Another point of consideration is the fact the day selected for the Convention is the day on which the Louisville Hamfest is usually held. The Hamfest folks concluded they could not/would not move. For what it may be worth. Good luck, 73, Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director, Great Lakes Division k8je(a)arrl.org - Tel. 513-459-0142 ARRL -- The reason Amateur Radio is! GREAT LAKES DIVISION CONVENTION, September 6, 2003: See http://greatlakes.arrl.org

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